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Perderabo
#1 Posted : 10/18/2011 4:14:45 PM
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SWIM came to this site a few days ago and has been ferociously reading alot of the articles here, The one problem though is h has had a bit of an information overload with all he has read ,and is now not so sure where he would want to start off from.

He came to this site looking for a way to extract Bufotenine from Anadenanthera colubrina seeds, But now H is wondering if he should maybe try dmt first. SWIM has tried neither of these drugs but he has tried alot of other hallucinogens, from the highly visual easier trips of shrooms to the complete mind fuck of datura and alot inbetween.

So hes first question is what would you recomend for him to try first, bufotenine or dmt. He has heard a few people say Bufotenine does nearly nothing for them while other claim it is alot more visual and less of a mind fuck than dmt, now he has nothing against a serious mind fuck( hence why He has done datura a few times) but he does tend to usualy enjoy the visual and tactile hallucinations more.

SWIM's other question is what is the difference in ease of extracting the 2 chemicals, bear in mind that heptane is virtualy impossible for him to get in the UK and he would prefer not to use strong smelling solvents like xylene hexane or ambiguous ones like naptha(as naptha is a general name for a wide variety of different compositions of aromatic carbons from petrol)
ISA, d-limonene, acetone, acetic acid, caoh and a few more are all fine and easy for him to get at laboratory grade purity

And lastly what method would you suggest for hes first time extractine bufotenine(unless someone convinces him dmt it the better route to go), he has a bit of know how but none of the apperatus from a lab, only what he can knock together from household supplies. So something relativly easy and that wont fuck up on him at the drop of a hat would be preferred. he does not need 100% pure product just preferably somehting that will work and not leave him hugging the toilet for an hour.
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Perderabo
#2 Posted : 10/18/2011 4:18:53 PM
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Ps if making bufotenine he seems to feel the Bufotenine IPA Extraction and Bufojam Changa Tek would be ideal but wonders at the effect from the end product, The other option he may consider is Jorkest's D-Limonene Bufotenine Extraction, but he says it seems a bit harder, and has also heard the end product may not be so good especialy when considering the time and chemicals involved
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#3 Posted : 10/18/2011 5:19:40 PM

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I've personally never tried bufotenine so I'll obviously be highly biased by saying to try DMT first, although I did look at the bufo teks in the past and decided I didn't want to deal with them. As far as DMT goes, I would take a look at Q21Q21's dry lime tek. The only thing that smells a bit would be the naptha, and even then it's not that bad. I would find a "naptha" that's suitable for the extraction, as I find it the easiest way to go about extraction. In the U.S. ronsonol lighter fluid naptha is easy to find. I don't know if VM+P naptha is sold in the UK, but if it is that would probably be your best bet. I also don't find DMT to be that much of a mind fuck at all. It's thought provoking, but probably won't have you dissecting your thoughts from the inside out in the way that acid has me doing, and DMT is plenty visual. As for tactile hallucinations, DMT can be plenty euphoric (though I don't know if it qualifies as tactile). If you're looking for some serious tactile hallucinations, salvia might be up your ally (which is a serious mind fuck).
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