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MelCat
#1 Posted : 10/11/2011 5:10:23 PM

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#2 Posted : 10/11/2011 6:35:24 PM

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Now we are getting somewhere; thanks for posting this Melodic!Smile

Ive tried to find a video which explains in more detail how every dollar/pound/other currency which exists has an equivalent amount of debt in existence, but Ive not found one as yet.The mechanism of this is audacious in its simplicity but so destructive in its effects and IMO, is the root cause of the majority of the woes we face.

This is what the protestors need to be made aware of, and once the expression on their faces which suggests theyre being confronted with a whack-job subsides, and they fully grasp how the changes required to put things right are of such a magnitude and effectively beyond the power/inclination of the governments they will, I hope, be more inclined to persist in their protests.

The movements needs economists who are lucid, presentable, sure of their facts and able to speak well in terms that the layman will understand, to arise from the protestors and bring this issue to the fore.

In a previous post, MC, I stated I wasnt sure of the movements aims and your response was enlightening but I think the issue of monetary reform, via educating the populace, needs to be made an issue that gets a prominent place in any demands which may be made by the protestors.

Good stuff!Smile
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#3 Posted : 10/11/2011 8:06:52 PM

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Thanks for the link! I found the video very enlightening, and a great first step to understanding what we can begin to do to change paradigms and move towards a self sufficient utopia.

To add to the video's statement on cell phone production and the fact that so many shoddy throw away versions exist. There's another form of creating scarcity that exists in this field as well. Look at the steady studied rate of the release of new smart phones. It's impossible to own a phone that will not be outdated within the coming year, and this is in fact controlled by the profit addicted corporations. And it's the same with all technology like the video states.

This works on two levels too. First, they're making profit as tech addicted consumers flock to buy the newest versions of technology. Second, the elements used to make the electronics for all this new technology is a nonrenewable resource, much like oil. As we use up these resources, the price of technology will continue to rise exponentially. Yet, we're hardly encouraged to recycle our outdated technology, and the methods to do so are not very reliable and create a lot of pollution. And the scarce recycling that does take place is outsourced to 3rd world countries where regulations don't exist to prevent the pollution of valuable water sources.

There's no quick fix answer to any of the problems we're facing today, but the more people who become involved and awakened to the fact that something needs to change, the more ideas will come forth to help lead us to the right answers. I agree that the first step in all of this is to fix the monetary constraints which exist today. Either we fix it now, or the system is going to implode on itself and out of the chaos will come the answer. I like the idea of solving the issue before the implosion, but humans are by and large a reactive creature and not so much a proactive one. I've still yet to see a valid solution to stopping a giant asteroid set on a collision path with Earth, but I guess we'll just worry about it when it's about to destroy us...much like the economic issues we're facing today.
 
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#4 Posted : 10/11/2011 9:05:06 PM

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corpus callosum wrote:
Now we are getting somewhere; thanks for posting this Melodic!Smile

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corpus callosum wrote:
Ive tried to find a video which explains in more detail how every dollar/pound/other currency which exists has an equivalent amount of debt in existence, but Ive not found one as yet.The mechanism of this is audacious in its simplicity but so destructive in its effects and IMO, is the root cause of the majority of the woes we face.


Have you watched the Zeitgeist Films? There are several of them now and you can definitely see the evolution with each one. They all go into detail about how all money comes from debt and pretty in-depth detail about how the system works.

The first few aren't allowed here because they tend to be categorized as CT's but they still contain a lot of valuable information. It just tends to rub most people the wrong way in how the information is presented.

The latest Zeitgeist, Moving Forward is the most fact based and is the hardest to dispute. It is also the only one allowed here on the Nexus. For some reason though, there is a high pitched squeal through parts of the film that is really annoying. If you can adjust the EQ to turn the treble down, I recommend it. If you enjoyed this film, I'm sure you'll love certain aspects of the Zeitgeist films. Just be prepared, each one is at least 2 hours long.

corpus callosum wrote:
This is what the protestors need to be made aware of, and once the expression on their faces which suggests theyre being confronted with a whack-job subsides, and they fully grasp how the changes required to put things right are of such a magnitude and effectively beyond the power/inclination of the governments they will, I hope, be more inclined to persist in their protests.

The movements needs economists who are lucid, presentable, sure of their facts and able to speak well in terms that the layman will understand, to arise from the protestors and bring this issue to the fore.

In a previous post, MC, I stated I wasnt sure of the movements aims and your response was enlightening but I think the issue of monetary reform, via educating the populace, needs to be made an issue that gets a prominent place in any demands which may be made by the protestors.

Good stuff!Smile


I completely agree. Education is going to be key for this revolution's success.

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#5 Posted : 10/11/2011 9:26:19 PM

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thanks for the link, interesting stuff.
 
 
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