So, we went to a rave, and this happened.

Take this as a cautionary tale.

So, I had taken mdma, and then id taken a bit moar later. I decided 'it's time for a joint'. Now these particular joints were not cannabis, it was am-2201, a powerful and sometimes pretty psychedelic synthetic cannabinoid variant. (I did seek clarification before posting this, research chemicals are discouraged as I'm aware.)


So, huddled up against corrugated metal outside, me and my fellows lit one and passed it around. Didn't get round much so i was left to finish, with still a fair bit in (possibly a bit too much).

I'll say at this point, I was not trying to get messed up, be silly or anything like that. But I suppose not knowing what could happen, i took a risk. Naughty.

While my friends were talking to some enchanting woman, after the people evidently sharing changa (and all speaking in DMT language to each other at the same time...), I was starting to feel.... a bit dodgy.

The people in the changa circle disappeared, leaving one guy behind. For some reason I got the impression they had vanished like witches (as you do).

Then people started talking realLlly W3irrrrddd......... like s0RT Of aLL0ver the place and blended together, snapshots of voice at various tones and speeds. Then I looked back to the guy, whom the enchanting woman has partially blocked from my view. She was gone now, his circle of friends were gone, as were his shoes and socks...

..Also his toe had been cut off.

I started to feel bad now. Fear turned to more of a panic as i saw blood allover the floor.
'Jesus Christ!' I thought, 'The witches cut his f****ing toe off!'

I look away, I tell myself I'm tripping. And I am. Hard.
A woman passes me, half her face is missing, replaced with scar tissue (If that actually was real then I'm not being disrespectful, but I assume it was me hallucinating). At some point I'm talking to a fellow nexian, who is also dead for the time being, his skin chalky and white. Like some sort of zombie. Now I KNOW I'm just tripping. Epecially when his skin looks like dripping white paint, then his actual skin is dripping and appearing over the white, revealing his real skin as it ran down his arm.

I look back to the fellow on the floor. 'His legs missing!?', my brain asks. Blood everywhere now, I thought he was sick on himself, I thought maybe he'd took so much of something that he thought it seemed like a good idea. Sure, chop your toe/leg off, brilliant idea. But he was rolling a joint.

'death....death... death' some girl is saying over and over.

'Ridiculous!' I say.
'Huh?'
'look at that guy, is he ok?'
'yeah man what're you talking about? He's fine man.'

Another friend comes over to greet me with saucer eyes and a super exaggerated cartoon elf face. It's sinister yet hilarious. I can't help laughing out loud.

'Bloop bloop bloop!' He says, 'You are tripping'.

Now it just seemed hilarious. The trip broke off and I was level, peaceful and loving again. If I decided to freak out instead, it probably would have been justified. Something wrong with me, I become phased at the most. Maybe I'm just a typical desensitized fellow of the modern age.
It's very rare I get bad trips, but this surely must have been one. But I look back on it fondly. Just a fun story.

But it was ridiculous, and if you don't like the sound of this, I certainly would not smoke this in conjunction with MDMA, especially when you're just coming up.

I wonder if this happens with cannabis after taking it with MDMA ? I can't even be sure what happened exactly. Just a WTF moment for sure.

Amazing night though.

Peace (and caution) to my fellows <3

I can understand smoking cannabis to soothe the comedown of MDMA but why would you smoke any while still on the plateau ? Won't it just destroy the incredible clarity of the mdma plateau ?

Sounds intense!! Ive never tried any of the synthetic cannabinoids but i have read a few scary reports about them.

Think i'll stick to natural thc

I have had cannabis do that to me while comming up on LSA once. I was listening to hendrix, and had just smoked a joint with at least a gram of good BC cannabis in it between a group of 4 of us..all of a sudden everything was super electrified and I literally had open eye visuals of zombie soldiers jumping of out of the bushes and shooting me with machine guns..I would look down at my t-shirt and see the blood stains and bullet holes, these hallucinations would happen real fast and the bullet holes and blood would be there for like 5 seconds and then sort of fade out..until I would look up and see some other guy pop up..this seemed to go on for a few minutes before I got up and started to pace around until the LSA peaked and the cannabis died down a bit..then it was just like a very powerful but ordinary LSA experience.

I have to be very careful when I smoke cannabis..expecially with psychedelics. I rarely smoke it before, during or after taking tyrptamines or phens now..if I do it is like 1 small puff durring the afterglow, no more..

I smoked it before it was fully up. I'm not sure why, just fancied a smoke I suppose. But on the plateu I was back inside, after this incident. It was beautiful, it just doesn't last long enough imo. Good job I did it when I did and not a few minutes later, it could have been even worse if it had fully kicked in then I smoked.

And that's interesting fractal, weed can definitely intensify the already existing trip, or sometimes radically alter it.

it seems to be very easy t overdose these jwh´s and their cousins, anything more than a 0,1 of a smokemix will fuck me upp big time.

Ive only tried a few of the jwh versions but will hopefully get some of the one you tried.


I like the synths but i would never treat them as cannabis but like any other rc.

Dose it low, the dosage can be less than my scale will even give a reading for, i use a sculpting tool to put a small pile down. The end of the tool is like a 3mm squared spade, so it's pretty small. If i remember correctly, this version is the most powerful of them all, which I cannot dispute. The tiny tool is more reliable than the scale in this instance, believe it or not.

I've never had a synthetic cannabinoid on MDMA but when I smoke weed (usually on the way down)
I've had intense hallucinations from snow storms in the summer and whole landscapes in a wall to my friend turning into the devil complete with moving goat ears, pale blue skin and a black mustache and goatee speaking in demonic tongues!

These are real hallucinations too no morphing shapes just real deal crazy visuals.
As well as auditory hallucinations like mad.
Be careful with this one folks especially with synths you may be in for moar than you bargained for.

Sounds about right archaic_architect. It's like it's too real to be questioning it, but too ridiculous not too.
Not like glowing angelic creatures of psychedelic geometric patterns, you know you're not in this world when you see that.

I was expecting this thread at some point

It's weird.

I'm used to the effect of cannabis increasing psychoactive effects of LSD, mushrooms and mescaline etc. But with MDMA it usually takes off a little of the the amphetamine-like effects leaving me feel more euphoric.

Orion's AM2201 however...

For me it brought out an almost tryptamine-like quality, with hints of salvia-like disociation.

Also, with MDMA/cannabis, I don't get the THC body effects. With the AM2201 I felt a full array of cannabinoid effects.

I had also consumed 25mg AMT, 5 hours beforehand. My visual effects, altthough quite strong, were not quite as vivid as what Orion has described.

I'm very tempted to try this combo in a controlled setting, without the AMT. I imagine a higher dose of AM2201 could also lead the way to something rather special.
Caution being a must of course

AM2201 is stronger than JWH018, yet doesn't cause the same body load and nausea. The effects are tricky, not so obvious. Psychotic episodes have been reported on high doses. One wierd effect is that it makes me feel guilt, sort of a motivator, opposite of good old cannabis (yet oddly like spice can do). I would call it a "nervous" cannabinoid. It also seems to induce mild tracers and color shifting, like a mild tryptamine trip, but nothing more. I don't generally mix synthetics with actual tripping, so I can't comment on that. I don't recommend any of them, THC is hands down better, but we all don't have access. Orally, it seems pretty good, but it was only a few times and left me with a typical brownie-type hangover. I somewhat like JWH018, and wanted a substitute, but this is not it.

If you're on the fence, don't bother. If you want to try it, be careful, don't smoke it straight, only in infused herbs.

*steers clear of synthetic cannabinoids* They just don't appeal - especially after reading this!



I love to smoke weed while peaking on MDMA, makes it a little more dreamy and a little less 'hard edged' - I know a few people who don't like it at all though, so horses for courses I guess...

I think it's important to see the individual compounds for exactly that and not just efforts at legal simulations of cannabis.

If you're expecting something to be what it's not, then you're either going to be shocked or dissapointed.

I think there's definately something there with AM-2201 that is lacking with cannabis and vica-versa.

Remember, synthetic does not = the devil

Personally I don't think cannabis is lacking at all And I guess that is part of the reason that these compounds don't interest me as much. Not saying I wouldn't give them a go at all, but I'm certainly not in a hurry.

And yes, I know synthetic doesn't = the devil, I have plenty of experience with synthetic phens and stimulants (although I am not a fan of most of the cathinone synths, but I do love a bit of 2CB). How ever what Orio described in his trip does not sound very pleasant imho, interesting maybe, but not something I would voluntarily put myself through...

I think for a large part fear snowballed here. Nobody really knew untill I said, I controlled myself pretty well. I was more in a state of sheer disbelief. The thing is I had no idea this was going to happen, or why indeed it was happening at the time. I put 2 and 2 together afterward of course.

We tried again, equally shared this time. I believe I had 4 pre rolled joints of this on myself. It was the first that set this off. The second and third and fourth, more equally shared and later in the night did not freak me out at all. Quite the opposite.

Going into it knowing it can be as... 'out there' as this, I would say one could have an amazing experience.
I'm pretty certain the reason it went so bizarre is fear of the unknown. Especially when nobody would be able to tell you why this is happening exactly.

And soulfood, yes absolutely, even our more regular cannabis smoking friend remarked it was entirely different. I have to agree, gone through 750mg of very pure AM, it has elements of cannabis for sure, but the rest is totally different.

You had a bit of a scared look on your face at one point, buddy. Glad you were all good in the end. For some reason when you were explaining it to me at the party i thought it was some random research chem you had eaten before hand. I had no idea it was a smokable substance. I'm quite intrigued about it now.

That was an awesome party by the way. System 7 blew my mind!

You should have seen YOUR face! I drew a picture of it later on, L will still have it. You looked absolutely mental.
This was the whole reason we were outside smoking, I'd pre-rolled all of it. System 7 was really impressive that night if I'm honest.

Awesome is correct. Bloopbloopbloop...

I wish i had tried some of it... Even if it put you in weird face melting land. lol I also definitely want to see that drawing!

Thanks for sharing this report. That's a hell of a cautionary tale! What I like about this thread is seeing the friendship and support in the end. One of my favorite things about psychedelics and empathogens is the bond between people that share these experiences. There's nothing quite like it.

I could not stop laughing