I don't agree with this method. I've personally tried it and it really doesn't work too well.



Honestly DMT loops can be frustrating for the reason that you sort of intend on going for this journey, but unfortunately get stuck watching the same scenes unfold , so there's some disappointment, but salvia loops are a completely different animal. Getting stuck in a salvia loop can be extremely scary and unnerving with potentially no clue as to what's going on. I've experienced a fair amount of both and DMT loops are no where near as bad as salvia loops. If you get stuck in a DMT loop you're not terribly fond of, you can always open your eyes, and see if you can generate elements of hyperspace in your room.

probably not although i'd immagine that the tar and ashes from buds would be a bit harsh if you got a mouthful of that

cant really speak from experience because i dont smoke pot so i have never had resin in any of my pipes

i agree but from my understanding he only has 2 items to work with a glass bowl or a hitter
foil takes skill and the glass bowl vaporizer seems a bit fool proof just warm and vape thats why i suggested it

Perhaps I misunderstood the technique you were outlining. Are you suggesting putting the flame under the bowl as to heat it up from the bottom so the flame never goes near the opening to the bowl head?

i have one word, SANDWICH, i dont understand why everyone wants to outline complicated ways...actually i do understand why, but im just saying the sandwich is simple and effective alebeit i notice it tends to use a bit more spice than the most effective vape but hey sobeit. just use a regular spoon bowl put some smoking herbs such as mullien or mint, sprinkle your dose over top then cover with more herbs smoke the herbs normal the embering plant matter will vape the spice once it gets close and vwalla there is, still a little finesse needed but not as much as with a straight vape technique

That is what he meant. So do you think that's a good idea?

Perhaps. I've never tried that exactly, so I'm not sure how that would go, but it seems like it should be effective theoretically. Certainly would be worth trying if other methods are proving difficult, and it does sound like a rather easy setup.

yes i am

This works in a pinch:

Take a zig-zag and tear it in half (into 2 squares). Take one square and drop your spice onto it. Crumple it up so that the spice is inside the paper ball. Stuff this into your bowl / 1 hitter. Light carefully and haul it down in 1 big drag while moving the flame in/out to slowly burn the paper while trying to vape the spice before the paper catches flame. If you get this right it'll do the job.

If you burn it up too fast don't worry, you have another zig-square to try again

Alright so I've been using the vaping method described in this thread and it seems to work pretty well but I can't tell when my hit is gone. Like how many seconds do I have to hold the flame under the bowl until say about 50-30 milligrams is vaporized so that I can inhale it in one hit? Or do I have to do separate hits because the vapors will go stale? Can anyone with some experience in this type of situation give me some feedback? Because I've been having a little trouble...

Also how often should I clean my bowl? It's all black and brown on the inside where the spice melts.

It's hard to say if the bowl isn't clear. It's quite frankly just one of the drawbacks of having an (semi)opaque bowl. The vapor doesn't go stale so much as the longer it remains in the pipe, the more of it will cool and condense onto the sides of the bowl. It's really hard to say how many seconds, because even with the same piece so many factors can come into play like is the spice very powdery or chunky or was the bowl already kind of warm from use causing the DMT to be able to melt quicker so it can be vaporized more quickly. Don't be shy of taking several hits, even if so many here would like to tell you to take it in one hit. Quite simply, if you feel you didn't get everything, take another hit. If you're not getting much then it means there probably wasn't a lot left in the first place, and if not, taking it all in two or three hits isn't anything to necessarily be discouraged about. Even assuming you can see what's going on in a clear bowl, it may still be hard to get everything all in one hit just due to the harshness of the vapor, and if that's the case you'll probably want to work on not applying as much flame so the vapor is cool enough that your lungs can handle it, but hot enough that it will vaporize quickly and effectively.

Dunno if this has been mentioned but it totally works.

Turn it into a mini-machine by just putting a 1cmx1cm or so copper scrubber (vanrnish burned off) in the bowl wit the DMT melted into it then just smoke it.
The copper works as a heat-sink and also hold really damn tight on the DMT and tends not to leak as it melts then vaporizes.

If done right it can be vaporized almost delicately but even if not it usually doesn't harshly burn the DMT and at least for me the harsh and nasty coughing tokes still do the job damn well!

Just my though.

1. only way to tell when the hit is gone is when you dont get a hit

2. your almost guaranteed to take more than 1 hit because this method is inefficient

3. how often to clean a pipe is a personal prefrence but i think the vast majority here would agree that smoking from a clean pipe/tool is much more enjoyable than smoking from dirty equipment - i clean my pipes after every session but then again i only smoke spice about 6 times a year and we usually have 3-5 people at the party

4. if your bowl is becomming black and brown on the inside this is most likley burnt spice - your getting the pipe too hot

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this is a good last ditch for spice in my experience but utterly inefficient - my suggestion now is that you attempt to find a more efficient way of smoking - people rave about the GVG but i've never used one

maby modify your current pipe
maby buy a new tool (glass vape, pipe, GVG exc.)
maby disolve your spice in a small ammount of solvent and evaporate it into some mint or parsley (personal fav)
maby try the sandwitch technique? (my second choice)

smoking spice is quite dificult and it seems like everyone i know on and offline is on a quest for the best method
if you discover a good method please post

Also as gibran likes to point out, DMT seems to like to stick to itself so the more DMT condensate and residue you have in your pipe, the more vapor will get stuck to that condensate and just end up creating more and more condensate instead of making its way into your lungs. This can create a non-linear situation where you begin to have more and more DMT condensate buildup and less and less being able to make its way to your lungs. When you wanna clean it, you can use 92% isopropyl alcohol to rinse out the pipe, and then collect the alcohol used to rinse in a bowl/tray and allow it to evaporate in a well ventilated area over several days. When it's pretty much completely dried but still a little moist is the best time to scrape it out of the tray and then allow it to air dry a bit longer till it no longer smells like alcohol. I wouldn't discard anything dark or brown that you get either. I've found the dark stuff to be highly psychoactive and while colors normally don't matter, I've found practically beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I get dark stuff in my GVG from overheating, that if I clean it out (which is usually hard to do since it is a bit resistant to the alcohol - but nothing that a good consistent shaking won't fix) the dark stuff is significantly stronger by weight than pure DMT and has helped me facilitate some of my strongest experiences with shockingly low doses.

Thanks, I think this might be my problem. I'll try one more time, and if that doesn't work I'll try another method. And thanks for the tip about collecting the black stuff Global.

A friends been smoking off foil for a while and that works well for him. When trying to vap off glass it always takes a while for the glass to get hot enough to produce a vapor quickly and then it would stay hot and keep smoking after one's done hitting it, foil heats up and cools very quickly. If you're not used to chasing the dragon you can wrap a piece of foil around the end of a one hitter or any other glass/metal tube and make a bowl with the foil which you load and heat from below. I find it works best if you first melt it with the lighter 5 in or so below then move it closer (1-2 in) and start hitting it slowly as soon as it starts to smoke. My friend says he can consistently blast off using <50mg, the only disadvantage is you have to smoke off foil and the only other thing I can think of that commonly smoked of foil is smack, not quite as classy as a VG.

I wouldn't smoke anything off of foil. It's supposed to be highly unhealthy for the lungs and body. I remember reading it was pretty carcinogenic.

A little trick I use to clean my glassware of marijuana resin is to heat up the 93% iso alcohol with the lighter while it's in the pipe/bowl and then swirl/shake it around carefully. I would think it would work for DMT too as hot solvent is more efficient. Just dont set your hand on fire like I did.

Sounds risky. I don't think I'll be heating up flammable material within the confines of a narrow GVG any time soon.

Alright so the vaping method seems pretty inefficient. I'm just gonna go back to sandwhiching, and use a lot.. I just want to break through already! Lol.

Does anyone know if I should vape the weed that I put on top of the sandwich or if I should torch the weed and let that vape the DMT?

Thanks again everyone for the help!