Hmm no actually. Swims drunk the 50g reduction of caapi then a dose of DMT freebase in orange juice and after 20 mins or so vomited. Swim put it down to the Caapi as that tasted to worst to swim.. but in hindsight swim can't be sure it wasn't the dmt that caused the "purge".



Swim will only ever be ingesting substances swim has extracted himself. Right now swim is looking into LSA and LSH as per Xemnas' sugestion for an LSADMT experience. Would you say they're effects are similar to LSD when used in combination with vaped DMT?

You would be surprised at just how tasty an unreduced caapi brew that has been brewed with no acid can taste!
It gets nastier the more you reduce. On the other hand, a reduction allows for quick drinking and absorption, so you have to find your perfect balance.

It is my personal opinion that LSADMT isn't as good as LSDMT, but that is respectable you are only ingesting entheogens you grow and extract yourself. Many people LOVE the combination, so I urge you to experiment at once! A small amount of aya would go good with LSA too for the vasodilating/vasoconstricting synergies of the two as well.

sure they can be intense but low/medium doses are also very friendly. and besides almost all the experiences are warm and very blissful..not to mention deeply mindblowing and potentially life changing

i don't really get nausea or purge often at all.. i think the nausea aspect of aya is often over exaggerated and definitely not even close to being a good reason not to try aya- since just laying down and closing your eyes usually does the trick, and if not, and the purge starts coming up- you'll probably feel 100x better afterwards if you just let it out..ginger also helps for those with nausea problems..and in my experience marijuana used wisely can be a great nausea aid and even turn a bad trip around completely. i mean with 100+g of caapi alone i can get dizzy but when i lay down in the dark and stop moving that goes away

its not really that inconvenient to brew plants. i think its really awesome and fun to be able to brew up a ton at once and store them in the fridge so that their immediately on hand for weeks at a time

"Swims drunk the 50g reduction of caapi then a dose of DMT freebase in orange juice and after 20 mins or so vomited."

the only time i've vomited with a caapi brew was when it was followed by dmt freebase. i felt great after vomiting, but with mimosa i don't think i've ever purged.. and the trips seem to actually be much smoother on the body and mind with mimosa i'm finding

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Swim reduced it to about 50ml and did use vinegar. It was indeed pretty nasty. 20 mins later swim was laying on his back on his bed with his eyes closed starting to commune with mother Aya and feeling a bit queasy when, out of nowhere swims stomach must have decided it has had enough and this unstoppable "urge to purge" overcame him. Swim would like to say that he made it to the bathroom in time but he didn't, not quite anyway

Swim then spent what he presumes was the next several centuries offering up bucket after bucket of hieroglyphic vomit unto the porcelain goddess. But after that was over swim did indeed feel much better and could get on with commiserating with every form of existence in existence and several that are not.



Will do!

Friendly, yes, warm, yes. But that term "mind-blowing" well that is not to be taken lightly.



Oh, I do.



See my previous post.



I tried ginger before it helped a bit but I still purged. I'll try more the next time.



I agree, brewing up the Aya is pretty cool.



Huh! I would have thought it was just the opposite. Isn't the mimosa bark full of other alkaloids and substances designed to deter anything that might try to eat the trees roots? I thought the whole point of pharma was to get rid of the stuff out of the bark you didn't need that would just make you puke. Swim might have to try a root bark brew.

Out of the ones I've tried (Salvia, LSD, Mushrooms, DMT) I prefer LSD.

Salvia scares the shit outta me and I hate the physical sensations it produces.

Mushrooms give me anxiety and make me feel twitchy.

I haven't done enough DMT to breakthrough so I can't fairly compare it to the others.

The LSD experience seems "cleaner" and "deeper" than mushrooms and I feel more in control, less anxious.

It gets a bad reputation from people a lot. I think it's almost entirely down to people overdosing on it (which is quite easy to do with some of these potent extracts). Also the fact that it can be quite tricky to gauge your dose when you first start to experiment. I always suggest plain leaf, so you go get some, smoke a ton of it, and feel nothing. So you would naturally assume it's either not really Salvia that you were sold, that it just doesn't effect you for some reason, or that you just need a stronger potency to achieve effects. Then you get a 10x or 20x and it blows your head right off Salvia takes real patience and persistence, at low doses. You start off with a high tolerance, and it fades after repeated use. And the more you keep working with it, the experiences are rarely or never "dark" or "savage" or "cruel". There is an element of playfulness I find, but it's not malevolent.


This is a very common response when asked, "Do you like Salvia?"

At the moment my preference is leaning fairly heavily towards Changa, although I am yet to sample the delights of Aya - the prospect of a longer, slower trip appeals greatly to me...

I Have yet to try vaped DMT, Changa, Aya, Pharma, Harmalas (MAOIS), Peyote, Iboga, as well as various other mushrooms, etc.

I have smoked DMT using a glass oil pipe, and I would have to rate it as the best entheogenic experience Ive ever had.
Mushrooms were my introduction to exploration and I am very fond of there teachings and mysterious nature. LSD is too long of a trip for me, and the Body load is not pleasant for me like it is on Mushrooms.

I am considering doing a high-dose oral cannabis trip sometime soon.

Goodnight!

What do you call Soma ?
AFAIK nothing is clear about the identity of Soma.
Do you refer to amanita muscaria ?

As my signature indicates, I've been shown the most on mushrooms and they have a way of gently carrying me through the inner workings of hyperspace instead of a shocking jolt through it like on DMT or Saliva.

Also, it's worth noting that on something like shrooms (and I'm assuming Ayuhausca although I've yet to try it) the trip lasts so much longer and I feel I can extract vastly more information then in the 15 minutes from smoked DMT. For instance, the last trip I had which I talked about here I had a full on NVC (non-verbal conversation) with some type of hyperspace tourists (at least that's how they seemed). Had I been on any other shorter acting substance, I doubt I'd have been able to transcribe the entire conversation as I managed to do in the report I posted.

Shroomies will always be important to me I imagine the first psychedelic one loses they're hyperspace virginity to will always have a special place in the heart of the pscyhonaut.

Man, you need to be careful with that there Saliva, sh*ts crayzay son!

Truth be told I've only ever tripped out on Salvia (realized I spelled that wrong in the above post sorry) was very disturbing and I couldn't get over the intense physical feeling of the substance. I mean, I took two powerful hits and had the worst stomach pain I've ever had, but, and here's the crazy part, I didn't actually FEEL any pain... it was like I was aware my body in the area of my navel was undergoing extreme pressure, the most pressure it's ever been under, yet it was like I was viewing it as an outside observer. Very odd. That and what i later found out is called the 'Salvia wave' where you feel like your body weighs 500lbs. was a very difficult thing to get past.

The only psychedelic effect I got from Salvia was my kitchen (where I smoked it at) became alive and started talking to me. It kept saying 'come and see, come and see, you have to come and see', to which my girlfriend told me later, I was yelling at the kitchen that 'I've seen you a million times kitchen what could you POSSIBLY have to show me huh!?' lol. Weird stuff, and not very spiritual (which is why I use psychedelics, as a spiritual pursuit).

It would be all of the ones I mentioned becasue I dont have to choose. The question is hypothetical, but it is not my reality. Chemically speaking I love psilocybin/psilocin, harmalas and DMT. I am not talking about all at once, though yes I have done that as well and will do that again. In terms of plants that includes psilocybe mushrooms like cubes and psilocybe cyans, brews containing banisteriopsis caapi and chaliponga/jurema, and also brews consisting of harmala seeds and chaliponga/jurema. If you want to put rue based brews under the "ayahuasca" category then that is fine, I would say then that I choose mushrooms and ayahuasca. I often take both rue and caapi at the same time as well..so the whole issue is a complex one. It is easier to just say that chemically, I choose psilocybin, harmalas and DMT..in combination or not in combination..depends on the situation.

Mushrooms and ayahuasca go together so well also so it can definatily be a very complex hybrid..they are both sooo similar and are the 2 teachers that have spoken to me above any other. I have extensive experience with both of them and could never ever choose one or the other. Ayahuasca showed me this in a vision at one point. In the ayahuasca dreamtime I sat there around a fire with amazonian shamans who explained to me quite clearly that I was to work with both ayahuasca and the mushrooms..one did not cancle out the other..both were necessary. I choose both of them and that is my reality.

Here's my advice to you. Once you have MAO inhibition and you begin to notice the visual effects of the pharma, I usually find that point to be ideal in taking the first round of vaporized inhalations. I advise that you make your inhaled dose anywhere from 50-75% of what you would normally load up in the VG as you need significantly less to get significantly further than ever. Something to beware about vaporizing DMT on pharma is that the come up appears to be ever so slightly delayed. Normally if I take a reasonably large hit from a sober baseline, I can see things drastically transforming before I'm even halfway done holding in my hit. With pharma, one should allow anywhere between 15-30 seconds to start coming up. It's possible that since there is already DMT in your system creating active effects in your system that in those first few seconds, one doesn't notice any change at all as the newly vaporized DMT begins to take effect, or perhaps it's more complicated than that.

If I'm already nauseous before I hit my GVG, then I pretty much know I'm probably end up having to make the mad dash for the bathroom as the first round of inhaled DMT is usually the tipping point (it might be helpful to have a bucket nearby, but I always prefer trying to make it to the toilet anyway, and I'll probably continue to do so until I fail). Now for anyone who thinks it's trippy to purge on pharma as it is, it is all the much more so when you've just taken a hit or two of DMT on pharma. Now, I've taken ginger and taken all sorts of anti-nausea precautions, but I no longer choose to do so. These anti-nausea precautions for me don't seem to be effective enough at eliminating the nausea, but rather minimize them to an extent while preventing me from being able to purge, even if I want to. Meanwhile if I puke it all up, then I can usually continue with an entirely nausea-free trip, so in that manner I use the first round of DMT inhalations as a sort of chemical trigger to the gut. I know if I was unable to puke everything up before sitting down to smoke, that the DMT is all I need to flush the system, and for the rest of the day I can safely vaporize as much DMT as I'd like without worrying about any nauseating backlashes. Even mild nausea can be a nuisance and distraction and the anti-nausea methods just never are able to do the trick for me, so this is how I prefer to operate.

By vaping DMT on pharma, it allows you to dose a bit lower with the DMT on the oral end of things and control the depth of the experience through vaporization. It's somewhat ideal in that the duration of the effects caused by vaporization seems to last around an hour until you're back at wherever you left off on your pharma trip (if not slightly further ahead), at which point you can decide for yourself if you've had enough of that or you'd like to go back up at which point an inhalation or two of a small dose can have you back up in the stratosphere in no time. On one occasion I got so carried away with the vaping that I couldn't help myself. I was quite unable to move off the couch, but every 15 minutes or so, I would roll over to take another hit or two and just kept on luring myself deeper and deeper into the elf factories in my mind. They were talking to me in gibberish, saying the silliest things like "batman grandma flinstone tits" and no matter how much I took, I just felt completely comfortable as I was lowered down the rabbit hole. Now I don't necessarily suggest this, as it's probably enough to send most people off the deep end, and for all I know might have done to myself on a different occasion or perhaps at even a different stage in the trip, but nevertheless feel free to experiment.

I was thinking of Ephedra (the plant).

I've never tried it, but I'm very interested in LSDMT. My favorite entheogen overall is LSD, but I've gained much from DMT well.

Why is LSD your favorite?

The most mindblowing entheogen is dmt imo the most fun is lsd