Since psilocybin (and especially psilocin) and DMT are so chemically similar and since a sub-threshold dose of smoked DMT feels almost exactly like a very short mushroom trip, would taking a high dose of mushrooms allow one to breakthrough into hyperspace?

Yes, especially when ingested via lemon tek, or with added harmalas. If you use harmalas, start off low, they can greatly potentiate the experience.

The last time I took mushrooms, it was so identical to an ayahuasca experience, that if you gave me the dose in the capsule and didn't tell me what it was, I would've assumed it was ayahuasca.

YES...meditate in silent darkness on a high dose. if your not where you want to be, you can smoke some harmalas and/or just vape some changa

more on the harmalas; its recommended that if your mixing mushrooms with oral harmalas you should start with a full dose of harmalas and a low dose of mushrooms (maybe .5 to 1g, depending on sensitivity/harmala dose) and work your way up from there.

It worked for me, I took a 6g dose of shrooms and had a hyperspace experience with entities and everything. The first hour or so was great visuals and laughter very much like DMT, slightly different tho-at the zenith I could actually still see the room I was in. When vaping, at the zenith of the trip I'm not aware of the physical day to day world at all.

The second hour or 2 was straight up hyperspace, with a little slower paced activity, slow enough to talk to something and it or they talk back. Slow enough to remember.

Possibly dumb question incoming but, is it the same hyperspace as on dmt?

Shroomhuasca is truly the best. It absolutely allows acces to hyperspace, and is quite similar to ayahausca

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At lower doses almost all psychedelics have very similar effects, but between mushrooms and Ayahausca at higher doses, heroic doses, there is a difference. If you're inexperienced with either or both you could easily mistake one for the other. SWIM personally took up to ten grams of mushrooms with syrian rue seeds and in the most extreme case of ayahuasca SWIM used 80 grams of mimosa hostilis root bark and syrian rue seeds, but SWIM's normal heroic doses were 25-30 grams mimosa hostilis root bark. Through these experiences, SWIM would have to contend that Ayahuasca gives a much deeper, thought provoking and spiritually enlightening experience (whether you believe in that sort of thing or not). DMT is more crisp and clear with it's innerdimensional translocation techniques and teachings. Mushrooms can get you to where and when you're going, there are just more distractions to hold you up along the way. Whether you call it Hyperspace or the Logos or the Otherworld, Tryptamines and other psychedelics are but a tool, you just need to know how to use them.

^what species of mushrooms are you referring to? there is a BIG difference between certain speicies and the clarity of the visions and body effects etc..

Psilocybe cyanescens basically identical to oral DMT. Cubes have a different alkaloid profile than cyans and are less of a pure psilocin/psilocybin experience. I am very experienced with both ayahuasca and psilocybe mushroom and mushrooms can definatily take me there without unwanted distractions.

Most psychedelics do NOT seem identical at lower doses for me either. Mescaline is not like psilocin at lower doses..LSD is not like mescaline at a lower dose..DMT is definatily not like bufotenine at lower doses..but psilocin and DMT are like identical at all doses for me.

hyperspace is more of a concept and less of a consistent realm
DMT hyperspace can be incredibly varied and diverse
so in a way it is the same 'hyperspace' and is a way it isn't

going really far on mushrooms can get problematic because of the duration of the trip
it is easier to manage such exploration with DMT, because you aren't there for 6+ hours

mushrooms do not peak for 6 hours. Maybe 3 or 4 hours you will peak as in hyperspace level peaking..but even that is pushing it. And DMT can for sure last for 5 or 6 hours if you drink enough ayahuasca. I have had DMT peak for 2 hours or more before, and go for 6 hours. A usual ayahuasca session is like 2-4 hours, but if you space a dose or drink alot you will be there for a while..

I've had one eight hour and one nine hour experience where I was still under semi-profound effects in the final hour. I always seem to be a bit more sensitive to most things and they usually last significantly longer for me. To put it in perspective though, I'm about 105 lbs with an extremely active metabolism, so I've always assumed that's had something to do with it. Before ayahuasca I was 120 lbs but I think with the number of oral DMT experiences I've had and all the purging, that I've been uncontrollably dropping weight.



Are you sure you have good bark/brewing properly? 25g is usually enough to overpower most who have even the utmost experience with the brew.

yeah 25g is a rediculous waste of mimosa..you must have had a really poor harmala brew to even concider needing that much for the largest dose you would even want to concider taking..I wont even get into the 80g claim other than to point out that equates to about 1.6 grams of DMT..

I wonder how experienced you really are with ayahuasca and analogue brews when I read things like that. If you needed 80g for ANY reason, I dont care how far you wanted to go..if you need THAT much you need to relearn how to brew..or you did not have "jurema negra"(Mimosa Hostilis) at all, and you had instead "jurema branca"(Mimosa verrucosa)..MHRB is not the only "jurema" the natives use, though it is the strongest. you cant tell them apart from just the bark online and some stuff being sold at one point was Mimosa Verrucosa labled as Hostilis. Hostilis is very often 2% alkaloid content.

I really hope someone who does not yet know enough about this stuff reads that and gets the wrong idea..even 500mg of DMT is way way way more than anyone should ever need for the deepest breakthrough experience you can imagine..that equates to 25g of mimosa hostilis..

I agree, I think identical is the wrong word to use. Similar would be better, there are those prototypical effects you get with nearly all psychedelics because the pharmacology works similarly. They are subtle difference though, and this also reflects the different structure of each of these sacred molecules

I'm not a 100% but I think they were cubensis and they were cultivated. I worked up from 1g doses w/o syrian rue up to that 10g dose with seeds, which I only took once. Most doses I took were between 3g to 5g with and without syrian rue.


You're right when I wrote that I was referring to threshold doses, when most psychedelics give the watery waving wall and slightly breathing furniture effects. Above the threshold there is a noticeable difference between each and everyone, but you're right, even at threshold there are differences. Shouldn't have generalized.


Most definitely. I worked with 8g brews for awhile, worked up to 12g brews, jumped to 20g brews and experimented with 25-30g brews, settling between 20g and 30g.



There was never anything wrong with the Harmala part as I just crushed about 3g of syrian rue seeds and washed them down. I brewed the same everytime and I almost always got my botanicals from BBB when they were open so any variance was on their end. As for the 80g brew I split it between two other people at half a cup apiece so technically it was 27g. But it was still so strong, that immediately after I drank it I blacked out for several minutes. I would actively advise against doing an 80g dose to anyone who asks, it was an amateur mistake in my earlier days and anyone reading this: [DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME], but it was one of the deepest breakthroughs I ever had. I'm not an expert on psychedelics but I have tried most all of them, the natural ones anyways, as well as in many varied combinations. Hope this clears some of that up.

Note: Thinking back I did share most of my higher dose brews with one or two friends, technically making my doses average around 10g. I have to say that the dose ranges used for my personal experiences were obtained after long term use and is not intended as a recommended dose for beginners. If you are new to entheogens please refrain from using high doses as your experience could turn very negative and have lasting side effects. As I suffered from long term side effects for a few years after an amateur overdose, I would advise starting slow and at very low dosages. Sorry for the error.

If one visits a realm on dmt, would it be possible to journey to that same realm on psylocybin?

My first real visit to hyperspace was on shrooms actually and it was a totally unexpected experience. I hadn't ever taken a psychedelic before and I had dosed really strong for a first timer. I was sitting on the couch watching the visualizer on itunes and I was so tripped out I didn't even realize all of reality had changed! By the time I tried to understand what I was seeing, my gf had nudged me to bring me back down to earth after which I was raving at her 'baby! Where the F*** did I go just now!? That wasn't earth!'

Ever since that one time bursting through on shrooms, I can pierce the veil almost every time I dose on them if I put myself in the right mindset.

Broke the seal!

You know, that's an interesting thought and goes along the lines of psychedelics having that weird reverse tolerance effect. I mean, I can take around half a heroic dose (2.5g) and enter hyperspace if my mind is set to do it. It's sort of like if you've been into the space even once, some part of you remembers how to get there and it becomes easier and easier each time you trip.

I've often wondered if there could ever come a point where one would be open to entering hyperspace on a ridiculously small dose, like if I meditated and thought about the space and took like less than a gram of shrooms if maybe I'd have some partial liftoff.

My last trip I only took 2.5g of shrooms and had the most lucid NVC (non-verbal conversation) I've ever had on any psychedlic and this was a particularly low dose for me. For those interesting in reading this specific trip report, it's located here.