Years ago, when i was much more misguided than i am today, i went for about three weeks using DXM every day. It wasnt until years later that i realized that this was a foolish way to get off.

However i had some interesting nights on this stuff. I wouldnt reccommend anyone else ever doing this stuff but was interested to see what others said about it.

Although most members here would view DXM as a 'dirty' substance, (at least when ingested in impure formulations, in this case, i agree, BLECH)

I am a big fan of dissociatives, and I have had many, meaningful, explorations with this substance, sure it has its negative side effects, but it is a lot easier on my body in its purified form.

DXM intrigue's me as a dissociative, just because of its structure. It is a synthetic opioid, a morphanin. Unlike practically every other known and used dissociative has a base structure of 1-phenylcyclohexylamine. Yet dextromethorphan along with a few other similar structured molecules, (dextrorphan & methorphan) is calcium channel blocker, causing dissociative effects. Yet it's stereo-isomer, levomethorphan, is a potent opioid analgesic.

Back on topic, my experiences with DXM have all been pretty swell. I must admit when i first became acquainted with this substance at a young age, I probably used it more often then I should have. This substance, along with other dissociatives, are better used on a very occasional basis.

As with all dissociatives, I like to journey deep with this one as well, DXM doesn't quite seem to have a recognizable "hole" like the other well known substances, the onset is gradual, but can still smack you like the other dissociatives.

My absolute favorite, out of all my used dissociatives in this combination, my most indescribably intense, otherworldly, ridiculous, most powerful, navigational, experiences, have been with dextromethorphan, and dimethyltryptamine.

Stigma isn't everything!

i tried it a handful of times when i just started experimenting back in high school, but i haven't had any in years

dxm was really interesting at times and i had a few great insights during its use..i also had an unbelievable group time dilation experience. the thing that drove me away from it was the toxic feelings i'd have the next day..despite a few new insights, the next day i was always left feeling like an alien who didn't fit into this strange world.. and just wasn't quite right for a few days, which was borderline depressing. There was that lack of that smooth shift from experience to integration that comes with tryptamines, which IME are much more interesting and beneficial.

The other reason why i likely won't ever touch it again is the negative side affects..the incessant itching, double vision during and sometimes long after the trip, sweating, hypertension, and rapid heart beat at certain points in the experience, (i forget what else) all made the cons outweigh the pros for me..especially when i had things like lsd, aya, and mushrooms around to explore

if you decide to give it a go, research a lot about it before trying (obviously). as you probably know, there is distinct shifts in the trip as you move through the different plateaus.. and its nice to have some kind of idea of whats coming, and of course of the proper dosages you should take to get to where you want to be. also, just beware that for some this substance can be really habit forming

cheerio

My dxm memories are a tangled web in a somewhat troubled time in my life. I recall the "vibrancies" as it came on. Things looked brighter and cleaner. Then it got wild and i dont have many memories of the three weeks that we used it.

Two experiences that i still recall are pretty good stories...

The first was a long night of adventure and crazy times for me and my friends. At about 3am we decided that we were going to take some inflatable rafts to the nearby lake. I remember being in the tiny boat without a care in the world, watching the mornings first sun rays cut the sparsely placed clouds. It was beautiful. About four hours later i awoke in the middle of the lake, the car a mere speck on the horizon lol. I had to paddle for tge better part of an hoyr to get to shore. And one fact ive yet to mention is that i cant swim!! An exciting experience to say the least.

The other time was during some leisurely golf amongst friends during a mid fall afternoon. I took enough dex before we teed off to put me over the top but felt nothing. After we shot about twelve holes, we decided to cut it short and leave the chilly golf course in favor of our warmer vehicles. Still feeling nothing after +/-2 hours, i figured i had missed out on the train. I slid into the car and buckled up. Five minutes was all it took for the car to warm up and fill the passenger compartment with warm air....3....2....1... Booom.

The thought of doing this stuff again always leaves me with a headache.

^ can you go into more detail about what you might have learned/gained from DXM use..or if you gained nothing than maybe why you feel it gave you no insights or whatever negative side effects you felt..just to keep in line with the rules surrounding discussion of these types of substances..thanks.

In hindsight, no longterm insight was gained. However i must add that i wasnt looking for any. At such a young age, i didnt yet kniw that insight could be gained from anything like dex. Most side effects that i recall were mildly unpleasant. Insomnia, twitching, and a disconnected feeling always followed a night with this girl.

As i already said, my three week of near daily use has turned me against the idea of doing it again.

And i do apologize if i stepped out of line with the posting rules. Please forgive me! I will be up to speed soon :-)

It boggles the mind how a drug of such power isnt illegal everywhere.

I too have enjoyed dissociatives in the past, includng DXM, but its always felt 'dirty' and like its pickling the cerebral neurones.Erowid has some good info on it, including dose regimes to achieve each of the plateaus.I had some DXM hydrobromide tablets from the far East, pharmaceutical grade, and I took 10mg/kg ie a level 3 experience which was plenty strong enough for someone with no tolerance.

I like how the come-up is in your face ie once it starts to work at about 15 minutes, the maximum effect seems to be achieved really quite soon after.

This dose left me incapacitated for the best part of 7 to 8 hours and I could feel some effects the following day.

Its not the kind of substance I woud choose to use on consecutive days and on balance I prefer ketamine.


Also, some people lack the enzyme of the CYPD class required to process DXM so any users fo the first time, start with a low dose.

I don't know 3rd plateau experience is something I find personally beneficial. My feeling is the experience is cleaner and clearer the more conducive your flow goes towards being "OK" within yourself. When you feel the intention of putting down your inhibitions present in order to bring a clearer understanding between your energy / physical body, as well as your minds faculties and your sense of presence brought through you from your higher self it's more a positive experience. I have found "Letting go" physically has been conducive towards healing the gaps between your heart of hearts & your inner heart as well as your over soul & your perception of your physical age through your physical body. After lying down through a 2nd plateau DXM experience listening to a theta wave (listening using a computer speaker system with a good sub-woofer) helped me letting through my shadow self in order to facilitate higher cognitive functioning observed weeks afterwards sometimes months later. The habits and responses I would normally experience simultaneously with an emotional reaction (or a physiological reaction) were no longer so rigid and tied down or predefined as a response. I had more of a choice over whether said reaction was healthy for me, and was more a part of the decision making process over whether or not I choose to let the emotion pass through me opposed to clinging to it. In essence it helped me to let go. I don't find plateau 1 useful unless you are dancing for a first time experience in a safe environment.

Considering the resurgent interest in this substance, I've decided to go ahead and post a detailed info sheet about the Dexter. It will address a lot of what the people here are saying about it, along with plenty of info on how to mitigate or avoid negative side effects.

SWIM found that his 3rd plateau DXM trips were among his most meaningful entheogenic experiences. Fuzzy, warmer and more human than spice or aya & more hallucinogenic than mushies or L. Not as jaw dropping as DMT, but more expansive and probably the best boundary solvent out there... the feelings of oneness it can give are astounding. Of course, DXM plus DMT is probably among the ultimate experiences bar none. It is tricky to do it correctly. The thread should be up very soon, so stay tuned.

[quote=Hyperspace Fool] Fuzzy, warmer and more human than spice or aya & more hallucinogenic than mushies or L. Not as jaw dropping as DMT/quote]

Interesting..my feelings on it are almost opposite. i found it very fuzzy, yes, but cold and impersonal compared to aya. I think it can be good for some self healing in regards to forgiveness and open acceptance of onceself..but for the most part it made me feel way too alien after the trip to get much from those moments..And i dont really see how its more psychedelic to you than mushrooms or lsd, since mushrooms are basically oral dmt and you can get to the same places smoked dmt can get you.. and you can 'breakthrough' on lsd if you take enough and the mind/environment conditions are right...although its somewhat different from smoked dmt IME

Different strokes.

DXM is only hallucinogenic in the dark. Unless you have experienced it in a pitch black environment and at 3rd plateau levels it is natural you would doubt its power. The depth and realism of hallucinations with Dex is what makes it more human ISO. Aya is pretty human and makes you feel superhuman, but smoalked spice is about as alien as it gets.

DXM can take you to very stable places. Not just rooms, but entire worlds with outdoor vistas. It can also recreate authentic Earth scenes, allow you to move forward or backwards through time... and often takes you to a kind of divine UFO where you can fly over the Earth and observe actual things below you (when checked out on Google Earth can be borne out). LSD for all its glory can not do that. Mushies have never equaled spice for SWIM. There is always the consciousness of the mushroom being. (A kind of Cthulu-esque entity) Mushrooms are yawny and emotional compared to DMT. 4-Hydroxy-DMT is NOT N-N-DMT. Please don't get that confused.

psilocin is practically idenentical to DMT for me..I probly could not tell the difference between the 2 durring the peak, unless I had drank ayahuasca..I have smoked DMT hundreds of times..drank ayahuasca probly 150 times or more and had mushrooms about that many times if not more..and I still think that psilocin and mushrooms take me to the exact same place. The first time I smoked DMT I instantly knew that that this was the place I had been on my higher dose experiences with mushrooms..especially psilocybe cyanescens mushrooms..I would challenge anyone to eat a few grams of psilocybe cyans and say they arent just like DMT.

I have also been taken to realistic earth scenes where I am there as real as I am in a dream consistantly with harmalas. I have extremely extensive experience with harmalas and have experienced complete OBE like states where I am in another world just like earth or another place on earth, with other people as real as day interacting with them etc..you have to take the harmalas and lay down in the dark, like sensory deprivation basically and be very still and then it happens. It is like dreaming sort of..it is not like DMT or psilocin visuals or visions..these are like true visions that you exist within. They come in the form of dream sequences but you are still awake..yet sometimes you arent fully aware of how removed you are until you snap out of it and then fall back into another one. Harmalas have some NMDA antagonism so that might be part of it..

I have alot of experience with lucid dreaming as well and the closest thing to it so far has been high doses of harmalas and salvia divinorum on occasion. With salvia I have had full on OBE's where I left the planet an traveled the galaxy and met with other human looking beings who showed me portals to other dimensions and worlds..salvia can do this consistantly as well in my experience but you have to take enough to pass through the first stages where you are bending and stretching around with all the weird entities etc..I probly took salvia 200+ times as well and I always found the lower doses to be somewhat misleading and can put people off of the larger doses where the things I am describing take place.

Everytime i took dxm, except once during a group experience with minor lighting, i was in silent darkness for the entire time, and i always hit the 3rd plateau. Also, what does ISO mean? Sorry, i'm behind on interweb acronyms

I'm not trying to be argumentative or say you didn't experience those things, and everyone has different opinions/experiences, but how could you possibly know that none of those things are possible to experience with LSD as well? i've experienced many of the things you described and read about many other happening with lsd as well..the point is, who knows what the full range of possibilities are with a particular substance?.. the perceived limits of our subjective experiences are not always equal to the perceived limits of everyone elses experiences.. and perceived limits are beliefs to be further transcended (J.Lilly)

And I never said psilocin = N,N DMT..I may be oblivious, but not that oblivious I know they are two different chemicals. All i'm saying is that, in my experience and in many others from what i hear, the affects of mushrooms can be extremely DMT like to the point where it is hard to distinguish between the two. If you could take dmt orally without the added harmalas, i'd suspect it would be nearly identical to mushrooms..it already can be very close (and i actually get alot of yawns on aya or vaped dmt, but mostly after the peak)

no fighting dudes, please!!

--HF, i'm looking fwd to your future dxm posting ........

Like I said, FE... different strokes for different folks. We are all wired a bit differently it seems (that goes for you too universecannon) .

Harmalas feel like Dissos to me. And like any disso, being in the pitch darkness gets them to show their glory. Your experience with this bears out what I said about other dissos.

As for your mushy experience... SWIM never had that. He lived in a place where he had cyanescens growing in his front yard. He has eaten as many mushrooms as an entire jam tent full of trippers at a hippie festival, and knows dozens of variety intimately. Never once did mushrooms take him to the folding rooms and hallways of always of spice. He got amazing results from them, but they always had a gnomish mischevousness, a kind of octopus faced divinity, and a lot more emotion than any DMT experience he ever had.

Whatever. We don't have to have the same experiences. Go for what you know I say.

This is amazing to me. I barely remember my brushings with dex, and have never analyzed the experiences enough to take any meaning from them. Like i said before, i wasnt in the market for insight at the time of administration. Perhaps i should be looking at these times with more of a prying eye before i take the dmt train to hyperspace. I must say that i have approached dmt from day one with respect and expectations of experiences that i could derive meaning and insight from. Quite the opposite when compared to my mindset when taking dex during a juvenile stage in my life when i thought i had it all figured out already.

I believe that the reason for my now negative feelings toward this drug are due to ill-informed and irresponsible misuse of dex. I feel that this explanation fits best now that i have been viewing these substances in a much brighter light.

Ive been toying with the notion of meditation recently and feel that it might be a way to fully think out certain events in my past and choices to be made in the future. Ive never been exposed to someone who used this practice regularly and have little knowledge of properly doing it. However i think this is worth persuing in order to better ready myself for dmt. Any agree?

Also, in regard to my position on dex, those "friends" that i went on my escapades with soon after turned out to be enemies whom i lost all respect for ultimately left behind during my maturation process. I have all but forgotten about them and have no use for their memories other than a reminder of how much ive grown since then. I would dare to say that when i moved on from those people and differentiated myself from them, i somehow threw some dirt over the dex experiences as well and bundled them in with bad memories and hard lessons learned. I dont think that im "suppressing" these memories in a sense that i dont want to deal with them...its more of a peace thats been made with a learning stage of life and its impact on me is longer lasting in my way of life than in my memories. I am ultimately a better person than the unfortunate souls that i parted with. I just dont think of why anymore because im at terms with it.

Hope that makes sense.

Dex experiences can be hard to remember if not integrated right away. Same can be said for DMT though. Deep entheogenic journeys can be like deep dreaming. If you don't really think about it immediately after, you will lose most of it until or unless something reminds you and you get the deja vu.

Meditation is crucial. They should teach it in pre-school. Probably more useful than math... certainly more than algebra or calculus.

I would seek out a master if you can. A Kung Fu or Yoga master ideally. Learn Tai Chi or some other Chi Kung. It will help.

Blessings brother.

SWIM had always meant to try this but never got around to it. His best and worst experiences were psychedelics (RC's) with DXM. He could really only compare the experience to an extended salvia trip in it's aesthetic quality (in the way of childhood imagery and perception) and feeling with a power comparable to LSD. The experience was generally enjoyable, but he couldn't shake the fear and uncertainty of the combination for a time toward the end.