Hi there,

i have a quick question. A friend of mine, who has been traveling with my spice (mostly changa, sometimes pure) quite alot,
seems to undergo 80% of the times a sort of physical dance while on the peaks of spice.
Sometimes it is like the dance of shiva, very asian, sometimes more kungfu like moves.
Other times it is a more south-American dance, very focussed on the hands making very complex gestures and moves.
He even had a dark african dance while there was heavy dubstep playing in his surroundings.

When the spice is gone he always asks what the dance looked like since he claims not to dance consciously, but rather feels like he is being moved by sound and visuals or an entity. He can not dance that way without spice, he tried, he is by no means a schooled dancer. He said it all started when in his first breakthrough he was swallowed by a snake to become the snake, then he realised he was dancing on the tones of a snake charmer, fell in love with the divine tones the charmer produced with his flute and evolved to a human to dance as human. hence evolution from snake to human!

His dancing is very good actually when you observer him while being a sitter, you can see there is 100% control en perfection in the movements, like a trained modern ballet dancer.

are there others that launch into complex body movements while peaking on spice? and have you been able to repeat them afterwards while sober?
do you feel that these movements are only possible because you can enter the data/information from a higher dimension to perform them?

Im very interested in the physical response he seem to have on DMT...

If one can dance during the peak he probably has a mild dose inhaled, ask anyone here

Just to confirm this you can tell us what kind of smoking device he has and how much spice and how many hits.


However I have danced after smoking...

no no, dont get me wrong, he is very experienced in spice, he was definitely having breakthroughs while dancing,
doses range from 50 to 80mg pure (the machine, taking 2 to 3 hits untill impossible to smoke more) and when smoking changa he smokes a full cone (waterbong) and takes 3 to 4 hits of 50%/50% changa. Changa seems to come up alot slower so he is able to take more hits before he is gone. Resulting in even higher peaks compared to pure
Also he is not very heavy-weighted or insensitive for drugs, actually the opposite, very sensitive for any drugs (fast metabolisms?).
Also have to note he is a daily cannabis user.

when dancing he is gone, having heavy hallucinations. while smoking with others, same dosages, others are couchlocked for 10 to 15 mins.
his physical behaviour, i have never seen that before with people on spice, thats why i am so interested in finding out how big of an exception he is compared to other users!

i forgot to mention 2 of his experiences:

in one he was dancing/moving eyes closed, seeing heavy hyperspace machinery, trying to grab it with his arms, time changed, wich for one moment made him conscious of his dance... what he saw was time speeding up, what we saw was him moving extremely slow motion, it was tai-chi to the extreme, his movements had a strange stutter in it at some point as if going frame by frame.

a other time he smoked together with me, he then started to make pulling movements around his face, like ripping his face off, every time he did that i could see (hallucinate) a completely different face, he was controlling my trip with his movements it seemed.

On my first breakthrough dose, I found myself able to completely capably stand up and move as if normal in hyperspace.
it seems that sometimes you're in for a roller coaster ride where you sit and watch, and sometimes you get taken there..

Not true! I have danced after a medium-heavy dose with the GVG quite successfully. Getting up was the hard part, but once I was up I was able to work.

The last time I did it was an amazing experience, the room was nowhere to be seen and I suppose I was quite lucky I didn’t bang into anything and hurt myself, but I will attest that it is very possible to dance in hyperspace (even popping which requires quite a bit of control).

for some of his (strange) trip reports: http://forums.ayahuasca....opic.php?f=9&t=25297

I guess he's a hero then

I've never gone so far as to actually get up and dance so much, but particularly when there's music, parts of my body can be moved, but I'm not telling them to, they just do it. It's as if magnets on either side of my limbs are moving them around. It can be quite ecstatic. It's definitely not replicable while sober. The external energy just isn't there to guide things along. I have a particularly easy time working with these energies on oral DMT, and if I still have the ability to move, vaping DMT while on oral DMT.



I can get up and move around on most occasions if I want to (I never dance anyway, so I've never tried) regardless of dose. The deeper I get, the more fun it is to walk around, but under normal circumstances, if I'm that deep anyway, I'll probably want to be concentrating on the visions and not walking around.

speak for yourself! I'm not saying everyone can dance or move around while breaking through everytime, i'm just saying that it can happen..from what i've seen/experienced its most often while they are sitting or laying down though, which can be pretty hilarious, but it just flows through them- and usually without them even noticing. spontaneous mudras are also a thing that can happen.

I'm sure people have danced on a high dose though..a few years ago i inhaled about 50mg of spice in one massive hit, thinking my friend had gotten most of the hit (he got maybe 5mg)..i stared at him while i broke through, then realized the lights and music were WAY too much..i wasn't ready for all of that-so i ran out the door down the hall and into my own room.. it was the most ridiculous walk of my life but somehow i made it. although my room was NOT my room anymore and was just another alien world, so that was really confusing

Dancing on dmt is unreal though....i'll often listen to some good music and smoke low/medium doses of changa after microdosing caapi or rue and do a sort of yoga-dance-stretch where my sober brain sort of lets go and fluid movements just twist out of me without putting any real effort or thought into it. its extremely recalibrating!

Snap

Clap hands and clench

There goes the soul

Swept up in the flow

Of the rainbow snake hiss superfuturistic alien experiment...just kidding...or am I

some kind of automatic window with a new found dexterity

beyond everything I ever was and thought I could be

grooving every cell breaks the sound barrier

sitting like a statue comes to life and gets down.

+

My friend once accidentally took to much, freaked out and was able to wiggle around in fear during hyper space hahaha

Why you say first, speak for yourself, and then say it's unreal?
This is what I'm saying, it's sort of unreal. Seriously, dancing during strong dose breakthrough peak, come on(at least with efficient smoking device)... Maybe some people are just like that they can do anything.

You really are projecting a bit much here. DMT even at high doses with effective vaporization technique still affects people differently. When universcannon said it was "unreal", I think he meant it was more awesome than not true.

"When universcannon said it was "unreal", I think he meant it was more awesome than not true."

Yeah sorry about the miscommunication. That is what i meant ^

I don't dance on breakthroughs.. but as i said, i've walked around, so i wouldn't be too shocked if people have before...and as for my walking; i'm sure it looked more like the stumbling drunk walk of a deranged lunatic than anything else .. * i highly advise against this for obvious safety reasons..i just panicked and HAD to get out of there

I didn't consider the word "unreal" as not true, but something that's almost impossible or very difficult to do.
I seriously still wonder how anyone can dance during strong or even medium experience... At least standing up on his/her feet.
This is just how I feel about it. Maybe there are some people with the "power" to do that

Hehe, as I say it is really very possible, even with technical dance styles. I have probably danced with every substance I have ever delved into, but until recently had never tried dancing at the peak of a spice journey, just in the tail off. The experiment worked very well for me, I found some very expansive Bass Electro, got to a pre-planned track, perched on the edge of the bed, hit the pipe and following taking it I pushed myself up. The getting up was the hard part, from there it was actually all quite simple.

Popping on spice is amazing, a very special and magical thing indeed.

Interesting, I literally just smoked about 35-40 mgs out of a bowl put in between two pieces of bud, and after about 5 minutes, I got up and just had the urge to dance, consciously, and I really got into it, more so than I did all weekend at a festival I was just at! Then this just so happen to be the first thread I see when I hop on the nexus, lol.

It's interesting to note also that a friend of mine one time on about 30-40 mg his first dose out of a bowl the same way as me, got up as soon as he hit and started dancing really weird like he had this sudden urge. It looked like something out of Jersery Shore, sort of like fist pumping.. He's kind of a 'bro', lol, only in high school. Then he started to peak and had to sit down and stuffed his face between his knees and grabbed his ankles for like 7 minutes, lol. We were all trippin on doses.. So you can imagine how hilarious it was.

thank you all for your thoughts and experiences.
as response to this, let me clarify, the dancing doesn't always happen.
And never lasts the entire trip, mostly only while peaking / at the beginning of the trip.
He knows the difference between mild and heavy dosages, with pure spice and changa, mild dosages don't allow the dancing to happen.

Music influences the dance a lot (indeed popping and tribal dancing moves), when no music is played more ancient-like dances occur.
He asked me to poke around here since no responses came from the ayahuasca forums.
He believes it may have a meaning, and is wondering if there is any shamanistic history or reference to dancing combined with ayahuasca. He is also considering recording his dancing/experiences with a cam.

I think people have probably been working with music and dance whilst in extreme states since we have had music and dance, so it makes no sense to me that people can’t do it with spice. It certainly feels very right, but then it doesn’t take much for me to want to dance to good music.

Although it isn't dancing, once during a difficult spice experience, I sat up and felt the only way to release all of the energy inside of me and ease my discomfort was to start moving my arms. I started, and then they began moving in symmetrical fractal like movements completely out of my control, and the experience turned into pure bliss as I felt tremendous amounts of energy flowing through me. My arm movements felt perfect and in sync, and when I tried to influence the pattern of movement it felt wrong so I just let my arms go off by themselves for the rest of the experience. Pretty interesting experience.