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Evaporating vinegar and d-limonene.  My vinegar has a thin layer of limonene on top, is that safe? Does evaporating limonene yeild any spice? and if it does then why use vinegar to separate dmt from it?  Edit: Forget this post. I'll evap and see what happens. 2nd Edit: Please don't consume d limonene this way as it might have serious side-effects.
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Posts: 117 Joined: 11-Aug-2011 Last visit: 22-Jun-2017
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hey all, I have a emulsion problem  i have 2 jars with very clear brown naphtha. i did a quick search and saw this. Quote:1. Add more lye water
2. Put jar inside another bowl to prevent catastrophic failure, then put on top of a sub/large speaker and add some bass heavy tunes.
3. Bowl of hot water that you put the jar in to increase the temp of the liquid/emulsions.
4. Wait a few days, and sometimes emulsions will clear by themselves.
Those 4 usually can kill any emulsions i have came across, you may have to try all four of them though if its a real nasty emulation. they have been sitting for a almost 2 days now, i tried putting a space heater on them as well as adding a spoonful of lye into 20ml water and poured 10ml of that into each jar. still brown. going to give them 2 more days before i just extract as is and do sodium carb washes. i try to avoid washes because i can never fully get all the sodium carb out so it freezes in with some crystals and i always lose small amounts. any general advice would be appreciated. as above, so below
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Posts: 14191 Joined: 19-Feb-2008 Last visit: 15-Nov-2024 Location: Jungle
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enthusiast
Posts: 117 Joined: 11-Aug-2011 Last visit: 22-Jun-2017
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thanks, added some salt. gently stirred the naphtha, looks a little better. going to let it sit for a couple more days. as above, so below
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Posts: 14191 Joined: 19-Feb-2008 Last visit: 15-Nov-2024 Location: Jungle
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no need to wait a few days, add more salt, more lye, and tap on the container/vibrate, and it should clear immediately
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Posts: 4 Joined: 10-Sep-2011 Last visit: 06-Jun-2013
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Hi everyone! First post!
I just wanted to say that this site is fantastic! Really looking forward to immersing myself.
My friend Bob-Jane T-Mart just pulled an allnighter and finished his first extraction tek! He told me he used the dmt handbook (a/b) and used acacia acuminata bark. About 2 Kg's. He finished it about 5 hours ago but left the leftover whatever you call it after syphoning it 3 times he did not get much Shellite out (golden yellow clear liquid) compared to what the tek had.
He came back to it later and found that more shellite (much more then before) has separated.
The yellow shellite is sitting in the frezer; should he separate the extra shellite now separated or should bob jane just leave it? If so should Bob Jane T-mart disturb the existing freeze precipitate or just put it in another bowl.
Thanks!
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take the extra solvent out and put it in a separate jar and in the freezer. That's what I would do. There's no reason to leave it in IMO. you can do another pull once you have the old solvent out. good luck with everything. Buon viso a cattivo gioco! --- The Open Hyperspace Traveler Handbook - A handbook for the safe and responsible use of entheogens. --- mushroom-grow-help ::: energy conserving caapi extraction
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endlessness wrote:no need to wait a few days, add more salt, more lye, and tap on the container/vibrate, and it should clear immediately did not even budge it. this is what i did, with the 2 jars giving me grief, i took out as much naphtha as i could and put it in the garage to let it evap, i checked on them 15 minutes later, a solid half inch evaporated and the naphtha was golden yellow  with all the lye at the bottom, i poured them back into the original jars. they immediately got cloudy and back to brown color. i went to work at that point, 7 hours later i came home and both are yellow! i gently relocated them to the kitchen and one got cloudy again. so sensitive =\ wonder why the other jar stayed perfectly clear. never the less i am thrilled. as above, so below
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Posts: 14191 Joined: 19-Feb-2008 Last visit: 15-Nov-2024 Location: Jungle
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If emulsion didnt clear, you didnt add enough salt and lye.. When I say add salt, it isnt adding a pinch, its adding LOADS of it.. also same with lye, you cant add too much dont worry.. And vibrations.. If it isnt cleared with those 3 in a few minutes, you didnt add enough.
Good luck
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Posts: 7 Joined: 30-Aug-2011 Last visit: 15-Jul-2012
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Hello! someone pls help me!
SWIM is trying to recrystallize his spice but has a problem. He dissolved his spice in warm naphtha and then put it in the fridge for 2 hours, then he put the spice/naphtha containing shotglass to slowly evaporate.he put tinfoil on the top with some holes on it.
there are already some crystals but not that much as it needs to be. What should swim do? Just wait some days until all of the naphtha slowly evaporate and all of the crystals will be there?? or do i have to put it back in the freezer?? thanks for the help
I was looking for the answer but i can't decide which is correct and how to do it.
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either let it evaporate all the way, or put it in the freezer (not fridge) for 12 hours. If you put in the freezer, check this out for how to retrieve crystals: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...ystals_after_freezing.3F
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Hello SWIM is still doing This guide and wants to know how much material he has to use if doing with 250g and 500g MHRB?? (water, NAOH, solvent/pull) thank you very much  )) peace 
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Posts: 117 Joined: 11-Aug-2011 Last visit: 22-Jun-2017
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guys i need help, a small amount of dissolved rubber in acetone got into my changa acetone mix. is there some kind of recovery tek i can perform? as above, so below
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I would dissolve it all in acetone, salt with FASA, wash your fumarates with acetone, convert to freebase and recrystallized. It will of course depend on how much you have, if its even worth doing it. Otherwise, throw it away and consider it a lesson learned. Dont smoke rubber please.
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it was only 1.2 grams i'll trash it, thanks as above, so below
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Posts: 323 Joined: 17-May-2011 Last visit: 14-May-2014 Location: syntax
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Right so my friend attempted his first extraction yesterday using mhrb. He followed q21q21's tek 2 and freeze precipitated the solvent. Took it out after about 15 hours. I could see some xtals in the jar forming and i thought there were much more on the sides of the jar, but this turned out to just be ice (i think). he filtered the naptha (approximately 80-100ml ) through a coffee filter and didnt get anything, But, the solvent is very cloudy. He assumes something might have gone, wrong or did he just not allow enough time for the xtals to form? For now, he has put the solution back into the bark mix for the time being. He plans to wait a while till it returns to room temperature, then warm it up again and try freezing again, but this time for longer unless anyone has any other ideas/solutions? any help appreciated
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oh yeah- should of really checked that first.thanks. I'll report back with progress.
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So eventually , after combining an additional pull which was evaporated down first, before being put in the freezer, the 'white stuff' did start to appear around the jar which had been left for around 20 hours. The solvent was filtered out, and the xtals were put onto a glass dish, which then started to melt within a minute or 2. I left this to evaporate, thinking that the solvent would leave the xtals on the dish but it's pretty much all gone now with nothing left behind. Fortunately, only 100g of mhrb was used for this first extraction attempt, and the remaining pulled naphtha was put back into the bottle of unused naphtha. So i would assume if there was anything left in there ( as minute as it would be ) it would still be present in future extractions. I am kind of disappointed the whole thing wasn't a success. especially after actually seeing the white stuff emerge in the freezer. I think after reading other teks, i had the wrong impression that i would end up with the xtals, even if the solvent was evaporated without a freezer. I've just read through this other thread Endlessness, so i'll be taking those suggestions on board the next time i encounter this problem. Although i still imagine even after turning it upside down, the xtals would still melt with the naphtha they're still soaked in. https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=2290After this attempt, i'm still not sure using a larger amount of bark would be a good idea until i get better results with the smaller tester ammount. back to the drawing board anyway. all a learning curve.
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Hi. First post here. Looking for some help on my extraction. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Using this tek: Quote:1) dissolve 5g of citric acid per 100ml acetone
2) take the shredded/powdered bark and cover it with enough citric acid acetone. Incubate in a warm place, gently agitating every so often. After 2-3 hours, filter off the citric-acid saturated acetone extract and set aside (this solution should have acquired the dark reddish colour of MHRB). Repeat 2 more times.
3) saturate acetone with fumaric acid. Acetone can hold ~20mg/ml fumaric acid if let for a day or so to completely dissolve.
4) Add the fumaric acid-saturated acetone in the citric acid-saturated acetone MHRB extract. One cannot put too much.
5) Set it aside and wait for 2-3 days. One should see a yellowish precipitate on the bottom.
NOTE: In step 2 one is making an acetone extraction and at the same time converting the alkaloids their citrate salt. After addition of the fumaric acid-saturated acetone in step 4, there is an interconversion of alkaloid-citrate to alkaloid-fumarate salt, like:
dmt-citrate + fumaric acid <-> dmt-fumarate + citric acid
citric acid has a pKa of 3.13, while fumaric acid's pka is 3.43. Fumaric acid is a weaker acid and thus in the above reaction one should have most of the dmt as a citrate salt and just a tiny amount as a fumarate salt. dmt-fumarate however is totally insoluble in acetone (while dmt-citrate is perfectly soluble), and it precipitates as soon as it forms. The insolubility of dmt-fumarate acts therefore as a "sink" and given time all of the dmt-citrate will eventually convert to dmt-fumarate and precipitate out.
6) wash the precipitated fumarate salts with acetone, then take them out and let them dry. I used 50g powdered MHRB, washed the powder twice using acetone and citric acid solution. At step four, when mixing the Fumaric acid acetone and dmt-citrate acetone solution, within a few seconds a quite large amount of powder settled to the bottom of the jar. This surprised me because the tek states the dmt fumarate would take several days to precipitate. I filtered the powder and set it to dry. The powder turned goopy and dark and eventually dried enough and formed a sticky dough. I need help to identify what this material is and what did I do wrong? Is this jungle spice? might it contain dmt? pictures: http://img.photobucket.c.../IMG_20110918_170336.jpg (precipitate in the jar) http://img.photobucket.c.../IMG_20110918_174008.jpg
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