Yup. I tried the first few times smoking spice with crude tools and the launch was less than spectacular. I got my GVG and even the first launch was so mind shattering that I can't describe it adequately with my limited prosaic abilities. All of you with good smoking technique and tools know exactly what I mean!

Glad to hear it Nothing better than discovering first hand that it can get so much better, and that with a little adjustment, you have that power at your fingertips.

Ok guys I really need some advice after tonight's experience, I almost had a heart attack from sheer terror, this is the 1st time I have use my GVG since my last frightening experience and it was horrific.

I took one massive hit then shut my eyes, and immediately something was different so I opened them and everything was blood red, exactly like looking through a red lens cover. So I shut them again to be instantly in a incomprehensible existence. I didn't know anything at this point about my previous existence. I am dying of shock(In no way am I exaggerating) I truly thought my mind was about to get lost an not be able to return to what ever I was before that moment.

Two sitters, family members said I shouted out almost instantly after I shut my eyes "get me out get me out" and they physically had to hold me so I didn't harm myself. I was trapped in a place so intelligently baffling, words will not explain this it was the worst thing I have experienced in my life so far. And time was endless it lasted so long. My sitters were holding my hand and rubbing my back and counting in real time to give me a grasp of reality and a concept of time. Though I still didn't know who these voices where but it was the only way out so I followed. I sllllowly got some sense back and knew I was in the house, but still my two sitters faces were so complexly alien and nothing like human, more fish like with overwhelming detail.

It was viciously petrifying in ways earth fears simply aren't smart enough to be. I cant see myself doing dmt again.I cant go round three, I just don't know what I am messing with.

next time

instead of fighting

become it

relax every atom of your being

breathe in

breathe out

This is what happens when you smoke DMT. Welcome back.

Sorry about your difficult experience. You mentioned taking 70mg in one hit with the GVG in a previous post. I’d never dare try that. Not with the GVG! 30mg in a single hit is usually way too much.

When using the GVG, you really don’t need much to go very far. 20mg is near-breakthrough or a light breakthrough for me, 25mg is a strong breakthrough.

If you decide to try again, I suggest you start over with a new approach: low and slow.

TOMTOMTOM:

Hey bro, sorry to hear about experience freaking you out, but I must ask: How much did you measure as your dose?

As gibran says 20-30 is quite enough, and for me sometimes 22mg can feel like 35mg because the D is never the same for me.

I've had couple experiences that really freaked me out, and I never had any because I always used to listen to music with positive vibe at least on low volume when blasting off. These two freaky ones occurred without music... I hear people smoke without any music usually but I just keep it as a kind of "shield" when venturing out into the weird place called hyperspace. For example even at 35mg from GVG I am way out there with all the friggin jesters etc., but I can always hold my place because I keep stable with the music, or at least try to . That maybe has something to do with me being a musician, but DMT without music is like going into a dark cave without flashlight for me.
I am sure if I'd continue journeying without music I would get used to it, but at least for now I'll continue with music. Also I don't feel like hearing the entities sizzling around my room is the best sound! That sound can teach some aspects of hyperspace and how the entities move, but for now I'll explore other matters.
However I must say, I had two highly unpleasant journeys in one night but they won't keep me away from the D as it's always different and most often educational.
Even the difficult journeys taught me to be humble and more aware that what kind of difficulties one might encounter. It gives alot but it can also break your balls by being tough on you, I'll take it with humble respect if it ever comes again! As I'm ready to take difficulties due to the fact it has given and shown me so much. So D, bring it on if you feel like bringing it, I won't be going to my momma to cry!
Heck, I do it for exploration and due to that fact I'll keep on exploring. If I see couple bears in the woods that won't keep me away from the beautiful forest!!
To sum it up, one shouldn't be naive that you will never encounter any difficulties when exploring the wonderful and sometimes horrible world of "DMT SPACE".

TOMTOMTOM:

If you decide to go back, start with about 15-20mg. I wouldn't be surprised if that hard experience came with 25+mg.

You are right, but it's not always that easy, even if you know you have to do that! Sometimes it's best to just ride it out, not fighting, not relaxing.
Works for me if I'm in a diffult journey!

The thing is that some of the darkest most fearful situations can towards the end (so like around 3 min in) turn on their heels and become extremely blissful and positive, but it requires you go with what's going on. I've seen seething pitch black visions of discomfort transform into brilliant bright purples with overflowing euphoria because I had the wherewithall to know that once the steamboat runs out of steam so-to-speak, there can often be a great treasure waiting at the end of the tunnel. Anyway as far as music goes, I used to always launch with music as well. I'm a musician too, and I love DMT + music, but I sometimes feel like if I have the music going, entities can't really communicate with me, I might not get a message I was supposed to get, or because music can domineer the scene, by moving everything around in ways that they "didn't intend or were programmed to move," I feel like I might not end up in a certain place that maybe I was supposed to see, and maybe it would have been a holy place or novel situation that I'm missing out on because I was listening to music. For that reason, usually after the main "story line" is done and it seems like the trip has stopped it's "forward motion" around the 5 minute mark and is now gradually starting to degrade over the period of the next 5-10 minutes, I take that opportunity to listen to music while I still have a full fledged visualizer going in my head. Also on oral DMT experiences, I can get carried away in the ecstasy of music.

Whoa that's cool idea, will give it a try some day! Just have to figure out the best way to turn the music on(and easiest way)! How do you turn it on? BY mouse, remote control or something else?

I also have noticed that different music attracts different entities, not only that because each trip is different, but because certain music really attracts certain entities, at least for me... So I find music to be my only tool of navigation in the quick-flowing, constantly changing world of the D! Quiet room certainly gives the carrier wave some space! Well, actually sometimes, but rarely, it's so loud that the music that's on the background gets overpowered by that sound.

TOMTOMTOM:

Check this out:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=4026

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&m=103558

It is that easy. Do not think. You don't need to. I feel that if you "know" anything while you're in the first 5-7 minutes of a good trip (25-35mg) you're doing something wrong. Instead of being "torn" from existence, welcome your hyperspace journey with open arms. You'll have a much more enjoyable time.

I used to wonder why I would hear in my head "WOW!" "What was that?!" "What am I doing?" etc. Someone told me "That's your ego trying to distract you. Ignore it." It's tough to get a hang of at first, ignoring your ego, but once you try a few times you'll see what I mean.

Hey guys, thanks for words of experience, I have had a long sleep now and my mind is feeling strong again.

On a clear mind I think I can better explain or add to the story.
So before hand I explained to my sitters I had a bad trip the other day when I was alone if I panic again try and reassure me of reality. I took the hit open my eyes saw blood red when I shut my eyes Instantly I owned a new existence there was not music no sense of ever being me, only that existence. So Global you see there was no way to reassure myself it will get better or be over soon, That was my horrible life always. But the most absolute tedious part was very slowly (when my sitters were rubbing my back and counting) the realisation I am going somewhere else (from that existence TO earth)I can only assume its like when we die and our soul goes home. But in a reality tearing totally concious way. I couldn't say oh this is like a crazy dream whilst my conciousness was being ripped apart to shield my mind...there was NO out for me or concept of dreaming. I had the most overwhelming thought if I didn't follow these voices "my sitters but I still didn't know that" who were reminding me who I am, I would be lost in-between and be too damaged so then scrapped and used as new energy for something else. That came to me in one single thought, as if try or die. I have sat for 25mins trying to find a sentence of word to describe that moment and the only word that comes close is EXPENDABLE.

۩ That is what I try to do normally, and I have had big trips before. But this time was DIFFERENT there was no time to think, my reality had been switched with something else I didn't know who,what, where, when or even how I was. You need to have something or some kind of back ground to compare off to do what you said. But I just existed in that moment with a child's brain in an unfathomable...space.

gibran2, hey buddy it will most definitely be low and slow if there is a next time. 10mg will be the max first try it a clean pipe witch I now think was the problem, the previous doses where still in there too.

Hey tale thanks, I listened to

Ryan Farish - Full Sail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FE2jGMjwwk
Ryan Farish - Chasing The Sun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGQLA3s6-c
Shpongle DMT I wont put a video because we all know this one.

I had these on repeat, the music wasn't a factor. I freaked 10 seconds after I hit it, my sitter says I didn't hold the toke long at all because I shouted its all blood red then shut my eyes. How much I took, well that's the question. I was the last to go in a group of three people, two small females and me a large male with big lungs. The first woman had 40mg and had a light trip she was even talking about what she is seeing during it. The second female did 50mg had a mid trip, though she has had a good few trips before and said she didn't breakthrough. In reflection both females intake were about 7 seconds. Then I went I measured 40mg and exhale everything and took a sold 20s inhale, people always comment on how long I can inhale. I believe now the women(as you guys say 30mg is a lot) didn't clear half there hits of 40 and 50mg as they where so mild, and I might of picked up the extra....so you can do the maths on that. And I probably should have not been toasting marshmallows with my new Arc lighter, and would have realised there is going to be excess in the pipe.

When I was kind of coming back an new I was in the living room the females faces and the room where sooooo alien, I mean I have seen wild entities and eyes on the wall with my eyes open before. This was savagely different. The woman on my right side calming me down was a giant catfish with colour and detail so bizarre/beautiful/mathematically complex I had took look away. Tale, calling out DMT... I did that and got these two awful experiences, be safe brother.

I actually don't need any advice or comments for my journeys from you, I was just commenting on HOUSE that it's not always that easy for everyone! So riding it out seems like better way than any tecnique.

WT* Why are you loading such strong doses?? There is something wrong in your screen, temperature or inhalation, if the girls got mild trips from 40-50mg.

20-30mg is more than enough from a GVG+copper mesh screen!

That's scary doses!! I don't wonder if it freaked you out. You might have inhaled about 50-90mg!
Those are enough to flip you in and out and back again
I personally would not load over 35mg ever again, I've gone 40mg and it's too much...

What kind of screen are you using in the GVG and is your spice white/yellow and was it done with A/B extraction?

Whoa, I might say if you go at it again you won't even have to start from 10mg. You could go 15-20mg without fear.

I don't understand, after you smoked 70 mg and had difficult one, you still loaded 70mg even when the guys here including me(if I remember correctly) that the proper dose is 20-30mg with GVG, inhaled in one hit! And it's still sometimes way overwhelming!

Because The two females did with no problems at all...even the least use to DMT female took 40mg so I thought I would be fine.

Thanks for the links. I like what 69ron an Phlux- say in the second thread. Though it just doesn't seem anyone has had a real bad experience. A lot of the member say they always learn from there negative experience....that to me seems like they couldn't have had half the bad experience I did(I don't mean that as I have done this worst that you cocky type deal). For me I simply cant talk like it as if every experience is a lesson,I used to but not after that.

I am currently reading this thread and it seem as if my experience was more similar to a bad Salvia trip.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=1370

Also in your first link Vovin says he believes its a bad idea to jump straight back on the horse after being kicked off when it comes to DMT. Could be. This video was what I was like, only not cocky and not as active as I was stuck in a bean bag chair. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=97d_1256417727

THAT IS BECAUSE they didn't inhale the full dose and probably didn't keep it in for long enough.

I can say full 40mg(I've done it) smoked in one hit from GVG is enough to break my head open!

Tell me, was the spice from A/B extraction and what kind of screen you have in UR GVG? Copper mesh screen is a must for me...

Something to learn from this experience is that no matter how drastic it gets, you'll always come back. It doesn't need to be conscious thought. The more you get that far out and the more you end up coming back, the more there will be a reassuring mental reflex. Also, yeah those doses are way too high. If they're not earth shattering every time at that dosage, then somebody's doing something wrong somewhere along the way.



If I'm sitting near my computer, I'll have the song paused right at the beginning in itunes, so all I have to do is tap the spacebar to make it play. If I don't want to open my eyes, I don't even have to in order to just reach over and tap the spacebar. If I'm playing off my iphone, I just have the song selected ahead of time all the same, and hit play on that. Playlists can come in handy for operations like this.

I've personally never had the DMT audio so loud that it could over power the music. To play music or not to play music has ended up being an issue that has completely caused me to screw up my experience or on the flipside, to get the optimal experience possible. One time when I drank ayahuasca, I vaped some DMT at the peak, and I head my headphones in, my iphone by my side ready to play, and I was going to play it for the main duration of the experience, but before I could even hit play, I got shot off into a brilliant scene of white light where I encountered the godhead. It had some powerful audio going between the all-encompassing carrier wave, and extremely loud electronic sounds these giant golden puzzle piece entities were making. When I came down, I was the happiest man alive for the next 45 min or so in a state of overflowing bliss, but I realized the headphones were still in my ears having never listened to any music, but I didn't need any at that point. I was completely content and glad I didn't manage to hit the play button earlier.

On the flip side, one time I had my phone plugged into the speaker system which was inconveniently out of reach. I was on acid, alone at home so I turned the music on. I was going back and forth in my head whether or not to smoke any DMT, but it soon became clear that it was the perfect thing to do. I was heavily debating whether to keep the music on or off, but I thought it was gonna be a casual blast off, so I decided to leave it on. I sat down, took some massive hits (much easier for my lungs to handle DMT on acid; feels like I'm breathing air), and I proceeded to be lifted out of my body, being cradled up through the corner of the room into the heavens. There were purple and pink clouds everywhere like there was in the middle of the clouds of a sunset in my head. I felt the most profoundly peaceful, motherly, loving feeling. I could hear the music going, and it was sort of tugging on my visions. In a move of sheer idiocy, I opened my eyes, stood up quickly shuffled over to my phone, and unplugged it from the speakers, quickly backing up to sit back down and resume my experience. Well apparently I screwed something up along the way because my heavenly vision was inside-out, backwards, upside down in almost inverse dimensions to the "regular" interdimensional visions one has. It was a giant black glob seething a very dark purple energy with machinery malfunctioning all over the place. I was profoundly disappointed in myself, as I began to feel a similar afterglow as when I saw God...except this time it didn't really feel so good at all. I felt hollow inside. It was like going to see God, getting the goodie bag, but cutting out the middle man and not actually seeing the core of what the experience had to offer. I beat myself up over that experience for months.

In my state of disappointment, as the inverse DMT trip continued to run its course, I decided that there might be a chance just yet to salvage the experience, so I quickly reloaded the GVG, sat back and took a bunch of big hits again. I failed to get anywhere near heaven, but something rather bizarre happened next. With my eyes open, it was like I had a quantum physics lab opened before my eyes. All made of purple energy. It was like planets moving in orbits and other celestial bodies shooting this way and that, leaving their trajectories and mathematical formulas behind them. I ended up getting something out of that whole day...just not what I was expecting.

No it was a simple STB with a couple of re-x.
1 screen and a copper chore boy, no leakage at all.

I am thinking I inhaled around the 70/90mg ish. I remember the smoke was really hot from the start and I sucked the life out of it.

I promised some friends they could try some spice tonight, and told the about my experience. 1 guy and 1 girl both small people. I taught them how to inhale properly and they did...kind of. I told them how much I took and how badly it effected me and they still wanted 50mg each. Also they knew about my family members who took 50mg each, and nothing major happened that's why they insisted. So I play a really soothing song made them sit quietly and think of positive things before there hit. They both did 2 trips each so there would be a build up in the pipe. And they didn't even have a breakthrough...are these people just bad at taking it down or have I just opened some door where DMT hits me hard easily.

that still seems like an awful lot if vaped correctly.. if i were you, I would insist on them using no more than 20mg their first time with the gvg.. like others have said there must be something going wrong somewhere if people are having light experiences with that much spice..

Global that's one thing I definitely couldn't learn, as I said "I had the most overwhelming thought if I didn't follow these voices "my sitters but I still didn't know that" who were reminding me who I am, I would be lost in-between and be too damaged so then scrapped and used as new energy for something else. That came to me in one single thought, as if try or die. I have sat for 25mins trying to find a sentence of word to describe that moment and the only word that comes close is EXPENDABLE."

What scared me is my sitter said "I really think if we wasn't here to remind you,your mind would have been lost" now for someone to say that to you who wasn't even there. They actually did a lot to bring me around, like, count loud rub my back and hands, open door to let air in, cuddled up next to me and even slapped me after I freaked out the second time because I thought I was being tricked and about to be sucked into another reality AGAIN because the walls started changing. Then I ran outside, they chase me and sat out in the cold whist I came fully back. Thanks for trying to show me something positive from my experience, but it was all

Enough about my idiotic overdosing. Time heals all wounds I guess. Your experiences Global sound epic. I love the part where you transcend through the clouds also where your at god head. I cant believe you got up mid way to fix the music then it all inverts... that's not what you need. I wonder what you might have seen had you continued.

great_blue, you are quite right but they wanted this for so long we even went to a special location. So they wouldn't let me skimp on them. Especially after reading so much about it they had massive expectations...and it was still a FAIL for them.

I cannot figure out how they didn't have a strong experience, they exhaled all air then inhaled for about 15 secs and held it for a count of about 25 secs. It was pure crystals the flow down the GVG was solid and continuous. I can verify in horrendous fashion it was good stuff as it was the same as I used in the above freak out posts...so you tell me?