Hi! A while ago there was discussion about a salvia enema. I finally tried it out and it worked powerfully. I did a crude acetone extract on 10g of dried leaves. After the tar was totally dried, I put about 3 quarters of it in a shot glass. Where to go from there? Well, since I've read that salvia is not soluble in water, I didn't want to use water. I also wasn't going to use alcohol or some other harsh substance as a solution. So, I spit a bunch of times in the shot glass and used my own saliva as a solution in which salvia is soluble.

I squished up the tar with a dropper until it was more like a solution. Then, I took my 1ml dropper, sucked up the solution, and inserted, about 5ml. I lied down and waited. About 20 minutes later, it started kicking in. At first I wondered if it was a placebo effect, but then I was like, "oh, nope, hang on..... this is way too intricate and fiery to be my own normal imagination". I was being flashed by fantastic symbols, in a very salvia-esque fashion. That is to say, they come and go rather quickly. Ayahuasca visions I find are quite stable and have a more recognizable geometry. These symbols were flashing by, and leaving as quickly as they came, and were very asymetrical and incomprehensible... though still beautiful.

My ears started getting that distinct salvia sound wave. To me it sounds something like a continuous oscillating cricket. In the past, I've only had this sound on smoked sessions. It felt like my soul left my body, my body was no longer mine, I was just a body lying in bed and my head was hollowed out. I was opened to the infinity of space where there was nothing but this inner light, the source, that was manifesting reality as I know it.

The sensations became so intense that I started getting a bit concerned. As I was lying in bed, I thought, "oh my God.... am I going to freak out? ....... yep, I think I'm freaking out". By that, I mean I felt I lost control of my mind a bit, and I was at the mercy of whatever the inner world wanted to show me. Emotionally, I did not feel well. The salvia void is a cold, unemotional place.

I was getting odd brain buzzes. I wondered if I had overdosed because I took, likely, the equivalent of over 12mg salvinorin. I became uncomfortable, got up and gave myself an enema to wash out what might not have been absorbed yet. This was about an hour after initially inserting the salvia. The enema was green and the tar sticky. I didn't like the idea that I had this sticku stuff inside me. I felt infected by salvia. There was also some unusual sensations in the lower abdomen and back. I also get this when taking salvia sublingually. Apparently, salvinorin has some kind of effect on enzyme production in the kidneys. It causes an increase in production of something that results in increased urine. But the sensation may have been more uncomfortable utilizing the enema.

So, I believe it may be possible to overdose using this method, which is why I suggest caution. By overdose, I just mean that it is possible to take more salvia than is necessary to achieve the desired effect, resulting in discomfort, or a negative impact on the body. While overdose of salvinorin does not appear to put the body in any acute medical emergency, it may not be good for some organs, brain, or kidneys in particular, so I don't advise large doses of salvia this way.

Edit: I did some rudimentary research on salvirnorin, and apparently, it is actually used in the treatment of some kidney and liver dysfunctions. According to this page http://www.ehow.com/abou...bs-creatinine-level.html , "Researchers have used salvia on patients who were on dialysis for kidney failure and found that it increased the rate of which creatinine was filtered and evacuated from the body. They also noticed that it enhanced the circulation to the kidneys as well."

However, I find the organ effects of salvinorin to be uncomfortable.

In the future, if I use this method again, I will clean up the extract to a much more pure product to get a better idea of the exact dose, and also because I don't want that green stuff me again. It would be good to determine an exact dose which achieves a nice effect, but not high enough to get uncomfortable side effects. I wonder if 3mg might be such a dose.

Wow Apoc that is some serious experimentation! Glad you came out ok

Would you say the effects were stronger than the same dose taken as a quid? If so, by how much?

It sounds like a strong experience!

Nice report. I wouldnt worry too much about side effets beyond them being uncomfortable. Salvinorin A is extremely non-toxic and has shown some potential as an actaul medicine for aids patients etc..I know that uncomfortable feeling though..

If you take some caapi or rue before hand it helps to add a deeper emotional or euphoric aspect to the experience and it feels less cold. Salvia is not always cold like that for me though..when I used to smoke it almost daily I had lots of super euphoric and ecstatic experiences.

Anal administration is the way of the future.

Bumsquirt's for peace.
Thanks for the interesting write up. I do have a place in my heart for Salvia, chugging down the weird metallic hot void smoke is a chore tho so this is nice.

Apoc this is a very good experimentation I did want to do for soem time.
I also have the feeling intra-rectal salvinorinS is the way as far as I went about it. So saliva is a much better solvent than water ? I didn't know that particular point. salvia's saliva extract...
We need more research on this, I still have some salvinorin A crystal I could put in contribution to see if it's works best than crude extract, as some reason I didn't found them as effective sublingually, intra-nasally than smoked, mayeb that was a setting thing, salvinorin A applied intra-nasally was very electric, very stimulating, in a wrong way for me..
Thanks again for sharing.

YAHOOOO!!! So glad someone tried it! Thank you dearly Apoc, for bravely leading the way into uncharted territory. I am eternally grateful for your activism.

Were you able to completely dissolve the extract in your saliva? Maybe you could dissolve it in water (or at least into very very fine particulate matter).

Whenever is next possible I am definitely going to try making a tea, and going the anal route with it. Hopefully I can agitate enough salvinorin into the solution for a ride.

Once again Apoc, much love and respect to you.

It was the strongest non smoke experience I have had with salvia, and at times it seemed about as powerful as a weak smoke, but somewhat different in effects, like pharmahuasca is a bit different from smoking dmt. I started getting this repeating "scorching" sound in my head, which to me suggested that my head was swimming with salvinorin.



That sounds like a good idea, thanks. I actually felt disturbed the whole next day, like a bad dream sometimes haunts a whole day. I felt emotionally cold and even angry for no reason. This isn't the first time salvia has done this to me. Emotionally, it felt like it sucked the life out of me. Still, the next day I could still feel these fantastic symbols, and imagined many more. I used that state of lack of emotion to contemplate my life from a more objective perspective. I still felt the experience was useful, though it left me feeling very cold. I wouldn't want to go to that territory often, so I'll add some ayahuasca to warm it up a bit.



It looks like it will be for my future.



I also read that very pure salvia works poorly for mucus transmission. Salvia is also soluble in its parent plant chlorophyll and/or plant oils themselves, which help the uptake of salvinorin. I'm not sure why this is the case, not sure why salvia needs to be soluble in its solution in order to be more effective, but this is what I've read. I know they sell salvia extract tintures in alcohol solution.



Wow, thanks.



It was dissolved enough to be sucked up by the dropper, but it had a thickness to it. It definitely could have been thinner, the extract could have been cleaned of excess plant matter. Maybe it would work with water too. The salvinorin probably doesn't have much room to go anywhere once it's in.




Yeah, let me know how that goes. However, anal administration seems to work better with small solutions. You'll probably want to get that tea down as low as you can.

A solvent idea: Would salvinorin dissolve in glycerol? If so, it could be used like that in an enema. Glycerol has low toxicity and is used in anal suppositories so it sounds like a "tested" solvent as far as this ROA is concerned.

Keep in mind that salvinorin A is insoluble in water, insoluble in naphtha and other NP solvents (not sure if it's soluble in any NPs), slightly soluble in a variety of alcohols, and very soluble in acetone. I've never read anything about its solubility in oils.

So when adding it to water or saliva, you're not dissolving it, but rather preparing a suspension. Based on sublingual and now anal results, this may be good enough to get it absorbed.

Update: I tried brewing a salvia tea and taking it as an enama. 7g boiled 3X in distilled water for 20 minutes and reduced to 75ml. No effect. Sorry.

I noticed at the bottom of the tea cup, there was a grey residue, and I wondered if that was in fact all the salvia, collected at the bottom. The tea was almost black it was so dark green. It's a good thing I tried the extract enema first because if I tried the tea first and it didn't work, I probably would have assumed the extract wouldn't work either.

It's possible that it was salvinorin, in which case you've just discovered a new way to extract. Did you save the sediment?

Dang.... Thanks for trying Apoc. Here is my next question though...

Would it be dangerous/harmful to just scrape the extract into some gel caps and plug them?

it would not be dangerous or harmful in reasonable doses. I have little faith however, in a capsule's ability to dissolve and expose the salvinorin within your anus. However, there is one other potential idea for salvia ingestion..... enteric coated capsules. Regular gelcaps will dissolve in acidic environments like the stomach, but enteric coated capsules will not dissolve in acids, but instead bypass the stomach and dissolve in the less acidic intestines. The reason oral salvia does not work is because the salvia is supposedly destroyed in the acidic environment of the stomach. If the acidity of the stomach gets bypassed, I think enteric coated caps may give oral salvia a shot at working.

Only problem is I haven't heard much about enteric caps from many people. 69ron wrote some stuff about enteric caps, and he seems to like them. Only one way to find out...

Hmmm... I guess were in a quandry then. Make the salvia extract.... then it seems like there is two choices.

A) Just get it up there
B) Dissolve it the best in can in saliva or... some other substance that might work the same or better?

I see no quandry. The crude extract method was easy and worked very well. The only other test is to see if it works in a small water solution, so you don't have to use your own saliva. Have fun

I'm not surprised at the lack of effect from a tea-like infusion. As gibran mentioned, salvinorin A is not soluble in water. The salvinorin A may have collected at the bottom of the cup as an undissolved residue, or it may have remained on the leaves, or it may have done some of each. But it would not have gone into solution.

I suspect that the best results will be had by preparing the enema in exactly the same way that the Mazatecs traditionally prepare "tea" from the leaves ("tea" is really a misnomer since the method doesn't use hot water and the leaves are not steeped). This basically involves making a fine suspension of the leaves in water, then pouring the mixture through a sieve to filter out the spent leaf material. There are two traditional ways of doing this that have been reported in the literature. One is to grind the leaves on a metate (basically a stone grinding board) while pouring water over them. The other is to dip the leaves in a bowl of water, then rub the leaves between your palms (over the bowl to collect any drippings), and repeat this process of dipping and rubbing until the leaves have been reduced to nothing.

Testing with different solvents (preferably ones that are safe to take as an enema) could lead to interesting results, but an aqueous suspension seems like the simplest approach. In theory, any solvent that dissolves the salvinorin A ought to be effective, but this might not actually be the case. Pure salvinorin A dissolved in ethanol can be hit-or-miss, but adding some crude plant extract to the solution seems to aid absorption considerably. Salvinorin A is readily soluble in DMSO, and DMSO readily dissolves through tissue, so that seems like it ought to be very effective... the only problem is that it doesn't actually work very well at all! No one seems to know why DMSO is so much less effective than we would expect; using a crude extract doesn't seem to help DMSO tinctures the way that it does with alcohol. The preceding comments all refer to tinctures used sublingually; perhaps the membrane properties of the rectum differ from those of the oral mucosa.

hmmmm, thanks for the input. Maybe my water tek isn't done yet. Perhaps the dipping and rubbing method is more effective than making a tea.

I won't put any solvents in my ass though. The saliva worked fine. I'll have to wait until whenever I buy acetone again to make more extract and try it with plain water.

Sooooo, gibran, now that you have like a whole heap of salvinorin, would you care to spare a few miligrams and do some anal experimentation? I think once you take it in the crack, you'll never go back.