Alright so by now it seems obvious to me and I'm sure many people here that our existence, our reality, is one expression of infinity, in an infinite number of possible expressions. We are indeed one collective possible reality made up of possible selves being actualized in the here and now, so it is likely to assume that there are other probable realities being actualized simultaneously in universes which are parallel to our own, as well as non physical realities in between all those. It also seems to me as if we move through infinity in the here and now, infinity being all the possibilities that there could ever be - un-manifested, selecting from it probable paths that alter the present, which is all there is.. Just an ever-changing present moment, always in a state of becoming, attracting probable events from 'the future' into our present, because the past and future are all happening at once.. To put it more simply, it seems to me that all possibilities exist at once, and we move through it.

How the moment got here is such a beautiful thing to think about, because it's almost not here, it's practically nothing really at all. It's always been there and always will be... It's a dream.. Whatever you wanna make it, where ever you choose to go through infinity with your free will.. You can just wander through the possibilities.

Now, what I wonder is: Yes it's true all possible realities exist as such, but are they all actualized in the present moment? It seems to me that that would be unnecessary because some would be so chaotic and/or ugly that I don't see how God for lack of a better word would need to experience them to fulfill itself, while at the same time seems like it may be the only way it could all be possible.. You also have to consider that even though All is One, and One is All, the fragments of the one are still endowed with the powers of the whole, which is free will, though there are limits on this because they are fragments.. Meaning we can't materialize things with our mind magically etc, but we still make our own choices.. So with that free will comes the means for infinity to express itself.. And infinity means everything, good and bad... Since technically good and bad are subjective in the eyes of infinity and the observer... But what subjective really means is a choice.

So that explains why bad things go wrong in our world.. People, as God, make bad choices. I think we can all agree that this world is pretty fucked up.. But at the end of the day even though it's pretty bad we still do it to ourselves. So I mean I can understand how this world helps God learn about himself because it's not overly harsh (I mean it's fucked but it's not exactly hell... in some places it is I guess but it all serves it's purpose) to go through but don't you think that for example a world where things were much much much worse would be unnecessary for God to actualize in the present moment as a possible reality? But at the same time doesn't it seem like that's the only way it could all be possible? It's just wild to think about.

How did you come to this conclusion?

I haven't exercised my brain on these topics for some time. I don't really have a lot to say, my own musings have disappeared into introversion, probably from lack of having an ear to chew on when I'm spewing much the same as what's in the above post (no offence)

I always used to entertain that each moment is the last... and the 'next' moment is only allowed to happen in that this one isn't used against itself, every second is teetering on destruction and it is how we use this moment that dictated whether 'we' survive into the next one.

Unfortunately, the way the world is going, we are sinking further and further closing to the moment just imploding on itself, and we will all get to see that 'other side' of the curtain of reality...

2012 is dawning, the world is crumbling and we are all in it together in this car wreck, eyes stapled open witnessing ourselves careening off the path and into where humanity wants this moment to go, for whatever reasons.


EDIT: I would also like to point out that, having been in much the same position as OP, I am growing somewhat weary of this. At first, living in a relatively isolated spot I thought I was part of some exclusive 'select few' who got glimpses into true meaning and purpose.. until slowly over time I stumbled across other people spouting much the same revelations with different wordings, preaching the gospel of the poetry of life, using differently strung sentences of big and meaningful, psuedo-philosophical gibberish. I am not discounting your own personal experiences or beliefs, for most of us, we've all been there... I guess it's about practically applying it to day to day life without getting too caught up in trying to think up the most creative way to linguistically express what you believe.

As I have read somewhere before, interestingly, by a guy who claims "DMT is bullshit", I disagree with the core of his statement but he made some very valid points about how people get so caught up in the game of expressing the experience as opposed to living with purpose, or something

Fuck I just realised I got completely lost here, yet again.

Sorry.

recalling the theory of time/space being the fourth dimension, time as a dimension takes on a field aspect

for example past events are a specific distance in the time field from the present, which is just itself a relative position

in this way, the origin of the time field occurs now and flows to our position in a relative manner, it does not actually occur before, but simultaneously occurs, but our relative position is downstream from it in a manner of speaking

in this the indication is not of infinite possibilities co-occurring, but that infinite possibility is entailed not as an eventuality or actuality, but in terms of potential, which implies singularity in terms of manifestation

that infinite potential can only manifest as singularity at any point is implied, that singularity is itself reciprocal to non-singular potential of a nature we often call infinite, but is perhaps better of being thought of as constant

this is why we mistake the singularity of time as linear, when relative position implies that time is non-linear and thus is experienced as linear at any given point in the time field

this is my own view upon the subject

Which conclusion? I've developed these ideas on my own, through reading various material on the subject, through the use of psychedelics, and just living life... None of which have I got too caught up in or let it stop me from living a life of purpose.

I wasn't trying to be creative, it was pretty straight forward the best way I could describe it using the appropriate terms so that I could ask the question I want to ask properly. I think most people here can agree that the way I described things was easily understandable.. It's not like what I wrote is non sense. I would hardly would call it pseudo-philosophical gibberish either. I'm also not getting too caught up in anything.. Maybe you did, but I do not. I did ramble a little bit but I was high, it was late, and I suppose I could have found a better way to state my topic in less words than I did but oh well.

All I'm really curious about in simpler terms is this: Yes this is one reality being actualized that we are in, but do you guys think all potential realities are being actualized? I didn't quite follow the person above but I think they said that they do not think so.. Which is what I think about the matter...

And Lol, actually man, you have no idea how I live my life, it has tons of purpose, so for you to be preaching to me as if the fact that I typed this is evidence of how purposeless my life is and how lost I am then I'd have to say that it really sounds like your projecting your own experience onto my own? I can integrate the knowledge that I've gained just fine into my life. It does not hinder or inhibit me in anyway, in fact it empowers me and enhances my life.. I'm sorry if you aren't able to say the same.. But I was just tryna have a conversation about the topic, nothing else.. I don't need anyone warning me that 10 years down the road thinking about this stuff is gonna make my life purposeless, that's just silly.. Reminds me of the people talking about how weed holds them back in the other thread.

I mean.. I do see your point about how this information is not necessarily relevant to really enhancing the quality of life, but not everything has to be specifically for that purpose.. My life is already of high quality so sometimes I just enjoy pondering things.. I also understand how it's sort of a minute detail to be that concerned with and that I might have spent too much time pondering it or something like that to some people, but it's just a thought that goes through my head from time to time that I took a moment to write down.. Hardly something I spend my days thinking about while forgetting about the outside world or something.

mmm, that was written when high on weed? That's why I hate the stuff.
Love the quotes though!

Hey Matukuul. I tend to agree with the idea that infinity = all possibilities are expressed in parallel universes.

I have a point of contention when you talk about the present moment though, because to talk about parallel universes, you have to go outside our universe, and wouldn't time as we know it not exist? Time is part of our universe. Could there be a meta-time with the same functionality? Maybe.

Do all potential universes need to exist at all moments? I've read some quantum theories that speculate differently, saying that universes are popping up, either as meta space expands, or as quantum possibilities spring new realities into existence to fill all potential outcomes.

I have a negative reaction when you talk about God though I recognize you aren't using it in any traditional monotheistic religious sense. I think the issue, that you catch yourself on correctly, is that these multiple universes can't come into being through the intent of a being. The whole point of infinity is that they MUST occur, not that they were created as such.

Also, why do you worry about some universes being bad? I think all meaning is inherently subjective so you can't really compare one universe to another. Even in just our universe, though I assume and act like some things are better than others in my day to day life, I really believe that things just happen. If you could put everyone in a pleasure machine forever, would you do it? I wouldn't. There's so much more to life than that. Life is everything we make it to be, and finding some scale of value, whatever it may be, in the end only reduces our lives by reducing our range of experiences.

If there's 20% more disease in this universe or that one, we can say that that is negative, but it isn't really. We say it is because feeling conneted to people and empathizing and planning for better futures based on our current assumptions are all games we play that enrich life. But they aren't really true in any sense.

Also, this god character implies some meta existence even beyond the metaverse with all the multiple universes! I admit I have no clue what consciousness is, and maybe it is as you say a piece of the whole, a piece of god in all of us. But I don't think god creates universes to learn about himself, or at least, that's a totally different idea than infinity.