Ok, I know DMT is not addictive since it doesn't activate Mu-Opioid receptors or those that cause addiction. However, a pigeon tells me that he finds himself curious to go back to DMT to push the envelope further every couple of days or so.

I know that DMT is not addictive, but the pigeon keeps thinking "if I don't wait a week in between, then it shows I'm powerless to stop using this. So I'd better wait."

And why would the pigeon want to stop anyway? It's showing him sides of his self that he'd have no other means to see, feel, or experience.

Then this pigeon's critical mind tells me, "you'd better stop cause you'll get caught."

I very much know that it's more anti-addictive than anything. The pigeon tried today for the first time with an MAOI, which was a failure because of method. He keeps now saying that he must wait a week again or it proves he's addicted.

Sounds like that pidgeon has some strange ideas of what constitutes addiction... was this pidgeon raised catholic (or in some puritan denomination of christianity) by any chance?

He doesn't smoke cigarettes and hasn't done anything truly addictive, so he has no point of reference. Perhaps he should stop worrying about it. The pigeon will never try anything like meth or other addictive substances. Heck, he doesn't even know if Mary Jane is addictive or not cause never met her.

The major component in adiction is the mind, not the substance. If someone can get addicted to something as boring as gambling, then it must be possible to get adicted to DMT as well. DMT is not an adictive substance, but if someone has obsessive tendencies or whatever...i bet it's possible.
Some people are even adicted to internetforums on the weirdest substances........

The issue of whether cannabis is addictive is a bit contentious. People who've been addicted to opiates or cocaine tend to scoff at the idea.

Personally, I am comfortable calling cannabis addictive, simply because I found quitting cannabis (and the accompanying withdrawal syndrome) to be much worse than quitting tobacco or caffeine (both of which are well-established as addictive substances). I don't delude myself that this holds true for everyone; most people find tobacco much more difficult to quit, and the withdrawals worse. But I believe there is a certain subset of the population susceptable to cannabis addiction (possibly due to a difference in the endogenous CB1 and CB2 receptors or other proteins in the related neurotransmitter pathway).

But DMT is not something a person is going to get addicted to.

Also, the idea that you have to wait a week between uses to prove to yourself that you're not addicted seems extreme and quite unnecessary.

yeah...use it when you wish...and after awhile you dont need to visit as often...sometimes a SWIM uses a lot..and sometimes he does not...

I never used to understand the AA concept of "if you have to ask, you probally are" until recently.

Three should be no reason to think of your self as addicted, or wonder if you are addicted to something, if there isn't some form of compulsion on some level.

If you didn't have that compulsion, your mind simply wouldn't think things up like that. On the off chance it did, the person would disregard the thought instantly. Not because he is afraid of the truth, but because it doesn't apply to him.

The person who listens to these thoughts and let's it effect him to the point of turning to a pro-drug Internet forum quite possibly has compulsive tendencies and is seeking out justifications. They probally know that people on a pro drug forum will say that paychedelics are non addictive and ben counter addictive, thus denying the original belief.

Unless, of course, you have a bad case of OCD or extream anxiety, where in that case you shouldn't be using paychedelics, especially dmt, at all.



If your heart is telling you to lay it down for a week you might as well follow it. Now if someone else other than yourself has put the once a week limit upon you, fuck them it is your decision.

That's actually the vibe I got off this thread, an OCD-vibe.

Is there some reason why you shouldn't use DMT if you have OCD that I'm not aware of?

It's not OCD. It was growing up being anti-drugs and 10 years of church in the past. SWIM has in the past month opened his mind to these new possibilities. Evidently, he has some residual, lingering concerns he is working to get past.

I am not sure how much justification plays a part. Trying to quash these critical thoughts of the mind, and input from more experienced psychonauts is always appreciated.

Well I often find myself smoking small doses time after time in one sitting, admiring the awesome sound distortions and the different entities, just because it feels good and I don't have anything else to smoke. I don't consider myself addicted because I know if somebody forcefully took it away from me I wouldn't go crazy or have withdraw symptoms.

I often forget what a breakthrough feels like, mostly because there arn't words to explain it so its pretty much inevitable to underestimate it after a week or two, and then one day I'll smoke alot and breakthrough and all of a sudden I won't smoke anymore maybe like 2 or 3 times a month at the most untill one day i'm like wow i wana trip but not breakthrough then the whole process could start over but might not. But thats just me.

Maybe if you feel like your doing it a lot you should try to breakthrough.

So Dark, since you don't do it much, do you have a little nervousness right before lighting up again. Or are you fairly comfortable with it?

I'm actually not doing it much, maybe 2 times a week. But they are small doses, nothing near breakthrough.

Ok, just got back and believe I broke through. Though I didn't see the chrysanthemum or feel the nuclear cannon, I was definitely somewhere else, but was just on the verge of being able to stay there. I could see myself hitting it harder next time. It was like no big deal.

Beliefs are limits to be challenged. Beliefs can only restrict and confine.

I will say this though, for swim, who is admittedly and addict- at one time he found DMT to be quite the escape. Though like others on this thread, his use ebbed and flowed. Sometimes taking months off, then going through little 'binge' stages.

It is what it is. You can dress it up with meaning, labels and beliefs- but it doesnt change the fact that the only thing that really matters is what it does to (swi)you and (swi)your life.