on my last expedition I realize I was not a human in hyperspace. im an entity myself. my self-matter has no longer human characteristics. I asked my self, If I could master my traveling, and be able to live in hyperspace.

after that question I found out that what I would miss the most of being a human is love. because in hyperspace doesnt exists, because it is not necesary.

Love makes suffering have a meaning. because there is not a single human been that has not suffered on this terrenal life. suffering makes love have a meaning, because eternal pure terrenal love would be the madness of dionisious.

thats a core on humanity, the duality in love and suffering.

that doesnt exists in hyperspace.

wouldnt you miss it?

That's just an interprentation, not a fact.
Have you lived there?

hey bro, take everything I say as a personal interpretation! i cannot state facts about hyperspace dude. this is just a thought im sharing. i havent lived in hyperpace but I have meditate there

I cant figure out why each time I express and out of logic idea i get attacked by some members. i had the lovely illusion that forum members had another kind of mind architecture far from "facts". I know its required to back what ever you say here in the forum but bleh.. this is a psychonaut forum! how can one back up what you think on a trance? its just not possible sometimes..

my thoughts on this are basically opposite

Hyperspace is love, and man at his best without physical burdons. Without it, we'd be nothing.

would you be so kind to develop your idea? i am very interested on going deeply on this regard since its rocking my reality on this days.

but what is love? i mean, I understand Men's love, but if the archetype of MAN permeates to hyperspace or other dimensions, that would be an horrible tragedy

-To me, hyperspace isw a visual expression of beauty that cannot be bettered. This is love in my experience. Without this , we would lose the will to live. This is why we dream. It's as important as drinking water, and keeps us functioning...:idea:

but a visual expresion of beauty is an selfish fulfillment that one retrieve from traveling. I assume that the love you reach by this visions can be shared to your people and by that giving it a good use. but, and I speak strictly personally, assume mind traveling as a unique responsability that has been granted to my human being for it to be comunicated to others in the form that there is another dimensions or realities that we are entitled to visit hence giving a truth meaning to human life other than the given by philosophy or blind religions.

this is why i Say love is useless in hyperspace, it remarks humanity escence as it cannot be reached once you died and by death I mean going to another realm of existance, do I express myself correctly? i say, I love my human state because im sure i will go somwhere else higher but Im not sure i will live this amazing incredible experience of being a human ever again. this thought origins the nostalgia im talking about. when i become an non material way of life I will resent the nostalgia of having been a human

Love is useless in hyperspace? That is like saying water is useless in the ocean. Of course it is. Because that is what it is. Oh, but the ocean is salt-water...

I can see a tension between hyperspace and consensus reality. There is always the struggle to let-go of everyday-life, wich includes letting go of things belonging to everyday-life that you love deeply.

I have experienced love in hyperspace, but it is true that within hyperspace, the relationship between you and the world around you is different.

evening glory:
first of all I love your avatar, King Pakhal. A hystorical psychonaut. i will wait for more opinions on love in hyperspace since i think im swimming against the flood here and its because im parting from a non-human being I have experienced on my travels and thats the core on this disagreement.

polytrip:
i felt good comfort when reading this:
within Hyperspace the relationship between you and the world around you is different.

its a good start on this effort to express this to you who are the higher people I talk to in my life

Looking quickly at some u tube DMT video's last night and reading the comments, i came to an interesting conclusion.

-Firstly that hyperspace is a beautiful place, and regular life just pales into insignificance in comparison. The latest gadget will never compete with the hyperspace experience. To me hyperspace is heaven. Forget about words, it cannot be described, it's incredible.

-What are people on this earth doing??, they are trying in vain to create their own little bit of utopia. They are trying to do it with fashion, with art , with music, with this and that-And still not even getting close to hyperspace. No amount of the best sex in the world will do it either, nor the best and biggest mansion. THERE IS NO MONEY IN HYPERSPACE-IT'S NOT NEEDED, AND OF NO USE !!!! This is one of the reasons why the authorities don't want people to take these entheogens, because it makes 99% of what is called regular life seem like a pathetic load of junk.

-People are wasting their energies on this earth fussing over things like the best cars, fashion, jobs, money, etc. They are living a media and government lie that they have been fed over the years to believe, that is about as natural as macdonalds!...The governments have made psychadelics illegal, they don't want you to be wise, they want you to drug yourself into the media system, because they can tax you and do what they wish with you in that "thinking mindfuck bullshit" we call society.

-They want you to consume alcohol and cigarretes and water and foods, all that are taxed and controlled. They want you in work, to watch tv, to read newspapers, so they can keep you brainwashed and overthinking, so you'll stay stupid. They want you controlled like a zoo animal.

-Life on this earth is a prison in this sense. No amount of Buddhism will change that. ONLY HYPERSPACE CAN!!

>>hYPERSPACE IS THE HIGHEST LOVE THAT EXISTS, IT'S WHERE GOD LIVES, IT'S WHAT KEEPS US SANE.

-If we were all to rely on our earthly situations for this, we'd all be extremely depressed, mostly thanks to the media and governments.

-To say there is no love in hyperspace would have to be the most wrong'est comment ever..haha...

-Sure, i'm grateful for the life i live. But not for the way that people have been kept in the dark about these hyperspace states.

I don't mean to offend, but it sounds like you're taking an extremely negative outlook where there need not be one. You say you will regret your humanity when you die or become "non material", but why direct your hate and negativity on the past when you can just the same positively experience the present of your death state? It's really just a different way of looking at the same coin. Perhaps you find no love in hyperspace because hyperspace reflects what's within. Personally I have found numerous sources of immense love in hyperspace, and even in the darkest most threatening situations, I find that to wait out the darkness results in darkness flowering into love. I'm sorry that we don't agree, and please don't take this as an attack, but rather a critical examination of your statements.

pff man read carefully what I have said and re-state your comments because you got it all wrong. what I have said goes behond love and hate and positive and negative, if you act within those realms then you will never get my point.

I have to say AMEN my christian friend, for most that you have said, but I think you havent completly got my point on the absence of love in hyperspace. let me put it in another perspective.

Hyperspace IME its as you said heaven, the heaven most religions talk about, or at least one of them, being so... the human form of love seems to be a hope we humans have that clings us, even not psychonauts, into the Divine, is the only thing that cannot be corrupted, the only thing that should be followed as a religion.

But we humans can only truly love those things that we can let go. And I see humanity clinging on love as the only last hope for all the evil, hence, making love something essential that we NEED. to me hyperspace has showed me that love is a very human thing that is not neccesary there, because there is no war, and there is no needs, and there is no ambition, and nothing inherent to human, you have to had sense this when you are out there in hyperspace. if we humans could sense that human form of love is something we really dont need in hyperspace then we could get to love the Love better, knowing that is something we can let go!

see my point? you abandon your human-ness, and abandon everything inherent to it, Maybe I named this thread incorrecty, I should have named it, there is no human love in hyperspace. I say, there is a higher. much more universal form of love that its in fact part of everything and cannot be sepparated from the rest of hyperspace matter.

- Well said, Caliwa. I gotta agree there.

Yeah of course, I just mean I don't see the necessity to go around proclaiming there is no love in hyperspace. Maybe it would be smarter to say "there is no love for ME in hyperspace". Therefore I had to mention that it's just an interprentation. Peace