has anybody smoked the sacred spice while under the influence of molly? i have participated in this just a couple times (including my intense trip i described in my intro essay) and i must say that it makes the trip suuuuper intense. i didn't know this would happen the first time but i eventually figured out why my trip was so insane.

just a few nights ago i was hanging with molly and lucy and i decided to have a go with DMT. i still haven't noticed a significant effect from acid with DMT, but having molly in your system while using DMT will definitely increase the trip's intensity. for a minute i wasn't sure what was real... it was kind of frightening, actually.


anyone else hip to this combination? also i was wondering if this is even safe to do, because molly is an MAOI if i am not mistaken, and i know that these things must be used with caution.

I've attempted this combination a total four times. Two times were complete misfires on breakthrough doses. Very confusing. One time was very pleasant effects on a fairly large dose. And one time was a full on breakthrough that was very ecstatic indeed. I personally have never had the potentiation of intensity that you mention.

Molly + DMT is real "hit and miss" for me.

hmmm that is interesting... the very first time i did this i definitely had a breakthrough. it was the most intense trip i've ever had and i can't imagine anything more than what i experienced. i guess it also must be noted that it was my first time using changa with DMT, and we also had some acid and molly. so yes... maybe it was a good idea or a horrible idea. i know to exercise caution with MAOI's and DMT, but i didn't know these things before my friend introduced me to changa.

LSD + DMT is one of the MOST intense, visual, ecstatic, mystical, ego-death bring it ON combinations I have ever experienced. If not THE most. The fact that there was LSD in the mix explains everything to me about what you experienced.

I am thinking that MDMA is one of the substances that is to be discouraged here..I am not 100% sure, and since it relates to DMT here I also dont know if this thread should stay or go..but I will bring it to the attention of other mods until then I will just let this thread be. If it is gone soon though than that is the reason.

The OP hasnt made any unsafe recommendation and displays respect. There is neither an extreme influx of MDMA related posts and this is about DMT too after all.. I dont see any problem.

The only thing I think its reasonable is to inform people that due to coming from illegal sources, MDMA can be adulterated (and you never know if there are traces of chems from synth). Ideally, people can do some kind of analysis on their substances. Here's a couple related links:

Meth sold as MDMA warning ( + analysis info)

Analysis report on substances and their common adulterations


Now with that said, im sorry I dont know much about MDMA + DMT, never tried i. By the way, molly is not a MAOI, harmine/harmaline is, and you def shouldnt mix them. I would certainly NOT smoke changa or anything related to MAOIs when mixing with MDMA, please be careful with that!

Shrooms + DMT has been the most amazing experience for me

MDMA is not an MAOI - it is most closely related to methamphetamine class of drugs. You would not want to mix an MAOI with MDMA because of possible serotonin syndrome, as endlessness points out. I think your best bet is freebase DMT on MDMA.

That said, the two don't seem complimentary to me. LSD + DMT = awesome. Shrooms + DMT = awesome. MDMA + DMT = confusing mess.

I use DMT to enjoy what's inside. I use MDMA to dance to the music.

hmmm ok... i guess i was wrong. i am here to learn, afterall. what is serotonin syndrome?

Lsd increases the neurotoxicity of Mdma. I don't know if Dmt does the same but it's worth thinking about and looking up.

Source: http://onlinelibrary.wil....1002/nrc.20023/abstract

I have never combined MDMA and DMT. I only have limited experience with MDMA but I have combined it with psilocin(4-ho-DMT) and it was a great experience..since psilocin and DMT are nearly identical for me I think MDMA would combine well with DMT..BUT it would have to be smoked or snuffed, or taken in some sort of enema etc because oral would require harmalas which is not wise to combine with MDMA.

hmmmmm... so does that mean you shouldn't mix LSD and MDMA? because that seems to be a common mixture for many people, in my experience. i read the abstract of that article you posted and didn't exactly understand all of that jargon. neurotoxicity sounds bad... but i also guess that the dosage varies greatly from humans to rats.

I've only taken mdma 3 times..but once with dmt. two years ago my friend shared some mdma and we smoked mj by the woods with some friends for a few hours and enjoyed some laughs.. when they left i meditated to some music, and had a very beautiful out of body experience. i felt the call to vape the molecules, found a nice spot, and had a short but very strange and enjoyable breakthrough

Serotonin Syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome

It can be life threatening, but for most people mixing only L & M it shouldn't be a problem if they aren't on SSRI's, MAOI's or other prohibited substances. Many, many people have candy flipped without extremely adverse reactions. Of couse SWIM is no physician, bio-chemist or anything of the sort.

Spice combines rather well with many things, but one should micro toke even when no threat of counterindication is present... at least to start with.

SWIM has vaporized DMT while hanging out with lucy and molly. SWIM has also vaporized DMT while hanging with just molly and just lucy. On all occasions the lift off is generally lighter and easier to take, but the DMT takes control and there's really not much blending.

I agree completely... You would be hard pressed to find a better combination IMO.

Total synergy

You do as you please but you should be aware of the dangers. I'm not too fond of Mdma in any case (except when I'm on it, then I got no choice but to feel good), but doing it a couple of times per year shouldn't be a problem. You can minimize the neurotoxicity by taking antioxidants before and after getting high on Mdma, like vitamin-E, selenium, alpha-lipoic acid, and vitamin-C.

LSD + DMT is my 100% hands down favorite combination of any two things on this planet. It regularly produces a celestial, angelic experience like no other for me. If I bother dropping acid anymore, I'm highly disappointed if I don't have the opportunity to smoke some of my DMT.

wow... thanks, guys. i am always learning more about this stuff. i think i really need to try DMT while i'm peaking on acid, because i've done it while coming down and i didn't notice any difference, really. i love acid.

weeeeeee!

Did you ever try mushroom + DMT?

I didnt really like LSD + DMT, it seemed like LSD would limit the trip somehow, anchor me.

I don't do shrooms too often. We don't go together well It's funny that I really like aya/pharma but somehow shrooms put me over the edge. In any event, the last time I took shrooms, I heavily debated smoking DMT but it was already so DMT-ish that I decided against it, though I regret it now. Suffice to say if I end up doing shrooms again, I will certainly give the combination a shot regardless of what's going on.