I agree, therefore I had to comment on this quote:

Reguardless of how tense you find othes opinions to be, so far from what I can tell they are not calling you ignorant or attacking in you in a similar manner. You are the only one behaving like that in this thread. Just think about how your responce is going to be recieved by others before you post. It is not hard to say the same thing but formulate it differently.

I do believe Citta asked for some substantiation before he posted that...respect goes both ways...so does providing support.

I think ignorance plays a huge part in people hating drugs. People don't understand what they are, what they do to you, and what you are capable of doing while under their influence.

I also don't like it when I see people elevate LSD, DMT or entheogens in general to a higher level and claim they are not drugs. They ARE drugs. And not understanding that is ignorance as well.

I think instead of trying to separate certain "good" drugs from the "bad" drugs we should change the stigma that is associated with the word "drug" in general. There are SO many different drugs out there, we need knowledge and understanding - not fear mongering by anti-drug enthusiasts or pedestal-placing of certain ones by pro-drug enthusiasts.

Citta:
this is a forum of people that is into mind exploration, and mind exploration takes you to places that are beyond "reality", and the reason is that the brain is under such a distinct mechanism that one cannot tell if its reality or an illusion or a real irreality or wathever. you talk about the real world and working for the world and stuff like that, and most people here have a shamanic-like mind, who cares little for material achievements and progress.

i have heard your same opinion from scientist friends and its very respectable but i think it just doesnt fit the general purpouse of this forum that is certainly very unrreal in terms of physics.

fractal enchantment is so spot on!

How many people denounce marijuana over martini's?

How many people sit in NA meetings discussing the horrors of drug addiction all the while putting back robusta coffee by the gallon and chain smoking cigarettes?

How many mother's tell their children "don't to drugs" as they are buying them candy, chips, and soda?

How many people even take the time think about what they put into their bodies at all?

Today's society is, as Terence would say "batshit crazy".

Oh wait, it's okay! there's a new pill for that now!

WHAT HE SAID!

well actually the term drug is very vague, because an aspirin is a drug. its a plain term and its meaing its kinda diluted, yes indeed DMT is a drug in the strict meaning of the term but its not a drug IMO in the terms of destructive mind evasive substance. perhaps the word drug should be depricated.

Yes, I do feel indirectly attacked, and I feel a lot of people are being indirectly attacked. Take a look at what christian writes:


I don't hate the truth, and many others don't. This statement needs backing up, seriously.

Again, talking about peoples ignorance. What ignorance? I work 9-5's, I follow a lot of rules (except the drug ones) and so on. And on the basis of what christian writes here, I, and many others, are filled with ignorance.

Here he claims taking psychedelics will wake us up, and indirectly this means that people who don't take psychedelics are ignorant and asleep. Do you see the problem, fractal?

This is also some unsubstantiated nonsense that doesn't make any sense at all unless he backs it more up.

I think fractal e. meant you by that comment, as atleast I didn't call anyone ignorant in this thread.

You, citta should definately stop analyzing what christian said one page ago and understand that you have to live with other peoples opinions

pffff this excesive analysis on each word someone says is just very unfriendly and non constructive. come on people, read others people opinions without expecting them to be perfect! by the way, EHTEOGENS PROVIDE THIS TOLERANCE!

If this petty bickering continues I will be locking this thread.

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well actually the term drug is very vague, because an aspirin is a drug. its a plain term and its meaing its kinda diluted, yes indeed DMT is a drug in the strict meaning of the term but its not a drug IMO in the terms of destructive mind evasive substance. perhaps the word drug should be depricated.[/quote]

The term "drug" is indeed very vague, and that is the point I'm making. I think we should redefine the very word and teach people that moderation is key when it comes to drugs. And teach people responsibility with using drugs (set and setting, overdosing, etc.) It's funny because 99% of the planet are drug users and a big chunk of those people are drug addicts. We just don't call it so when the drugs are sold at a gas station instead of a back alley.

I mean, it's funny right? We have stores that have big signs on them out front: "DRUGS FOR SALE" - ??? What's the difference here?

Many of the mods here can sure as hell tell you that the standard here, or the wanted standard here, is that people can give decent argumentation for their opinions, backing up what they claim, providing references and evidence and so on. Unsubstantiated beliefs, claims and opinions are generelly unwanted. At least that is the impression I have =)

Not a bad idea



I don't think you can still be demanding explanations from other posters, if they don't feel right to you.

well actually the term drug is very vague, because an aspirin is a drug. its a plain term and its meaing its kinda diluted, yes indeed DMT is a drug in the strict meaning of the term but its not a drug IMO in the terms of destructive mind evasive substance. perhaps the word drug should be depricated.[/quote]

The term "drug" is indeed very vague, and that is the point I'm making. I think we should redefine the very word and teach people that moderation is key when it comes to drugs. And teach people responsibility with using drugs (set and setting, overdosing, etc.) It's funny because 99% of the planet are drug users and a big chunk of those people are drug addicts. We just don't call it so when the drugs are sold at a gas station instead of a back alley.

I mean, it's funny right? We have stores that have big signs on them out front: "DRUGS FOR SALE" - ??? What's the difference here?[/quote]



yeah, is so confusing even this thread went crazy!

That's too bad... I really wanted to see where this idea would go! It's something I think about a lot, and having an open discussion on such a great site is a wonderful thing.

Why not?

Why can't he request that people support their arguments?

I think that this is important, especially when people get in the habit of posting vague or questionable assertions and refusing to support them while getting upset when people challenge them.

People clearly want to continue this debate, so I say let's continue it...just be prepared to back up claims and provide logic behind the statements you make.

As I said before, there's really no reason this can't be a civilized and illuminating discussion.

at this point wee seem like the only two willing to provide more opinions on the subject as everyone else has engaged into a debate about how should people argue to each other properly.