Also consider that many people thrive on hating things and negativity, often drawn in as if it were a vortex of some kind. There doesn't always have to be a rational explanation for people's fear / hatred.

Yes there are some that can say it's OK at least, but I mean it's no wonder people dislike those drugs in general when seeing their effects on society. For example, how many million stealing junkies are there? And that's just some of the drugs effects on society. So it's not surprising people "hate drugs". Let's say normal persons purse or bicycle gets stolen by a junkie, how can that not cause one to "hate drugs?"

Again, I think there are drugs and there are entheogens(mind altering substances/psychedelics), and it is not surprising most people dislike drugs when they see their effects on people and on society.

Being an "entheogen" is not necessarily an inherent quality either...much of it has to do with the manner in which people approach a substance. People can (and have) claimed that all kinds of non-psychedelics are entheogens for them, so this distinction breaks down too, once scrutinized.

How many junkies would steal if there were regulated markets that didn't have the associated price inflation of the black market? This is not a "drugs" problem, imo.

I believe that all of these things are contextual and should be examined as such.

people that "hate" drugs etc are ignorant. Thats all. The same person hating drugs for what they see in the alleyway behind they'e home is probabily going to go eat a meal chalk full of toxic and mind altering "drugs". How many people that hate crack also hate caffine and white sugar, MSG or chocolate? Ignorance is the only explaination. Monkeys with one track minds.

People don't hate drugs, they just hate the TRUTH. They would rather believe what they read in the newspapers, and everything they see on tv as fact. They would rather believe that it is their duty to work 9-5 monday to friday, and follow the same rules that everyone else does. The government, religions, police and armies have all trained us up well to the point that we are conditioned to be happy with this level of happy ignorance. It is only when our dearest dies, and our work give us grief for taking a few days off that one starts to question things....

--so , do we just keep on working and consuming ourselves into happy ignorance, or take psychadelics,wake up, and smell the coffee???

---are we afraid of ourselves, the truth??
- Why do we need to run away from it by NOT choosing meet our inner selves???

I agree that there shouldn't be any controlled substances as we are free to do anything with ourselves we like.

Worst drug of them all is alcohol and it's even found out by the british study:

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And still there are not so many people who "hate" it?

I say it's a brainwash by the politicians that's been going on for long time. Started in the US by criminalizing pot and that's only for economical reasons. Say, isn't it still illegal in the US to grow hemp(non psychoactive)?

The drug issues are purely based on business I think. About psychedelics, it's probably pretty much enough for couple suicides on LSD to ban mushrooms etc. And of course to make the places opened by psychedelics unaccessible for the majority of people.
Didn't the dutch government ban magic mushrooms just some years ago just after couple suicides by tourists who mixed drugs with shrooms?

All sorts of crazy fukd up things going on in the politics and without any benefit for the people, only to grow the businessmans wallet.

Agree, but not to pursue the truth with crack or other "hard drugs"

What truth is it that people who are against drugs hate? This doesn't explain anything. Even if we're talking primarily about psychedelics, most people don't even have the first hand experience to know what there is to be afraid of in them.

tELE, any drug used wisely can help give one perspective. Cocaine and crack CAN be used wisely , however, i agree it is too easy to use unwisely. Moderation in everything is the key.

-Ragabr, i believe that people fear drugs because they may learn something about themselves that the governments and religions cannot explain. Something perhaps truthful, but not pertaining to the goals of a developing concrete society??

What truth? Why is it not somewhat of a duty to work 9-5 monday to friday, if you have accepted this responsibility? How would the world be if no one worked with anything, but just sat on their asses eating psychedelics and getting high believing they see some truth? What kind of ignorance are you talking about, especially amongst educated people that probably knows a heck alot more about the real world than you do?

You are, again, talking like psychedelics is some magic stuff that will "wake us up" and make a better world and solve very complex problems that humanity faces. That is nonsense, and I am frankly getting tired of this attitude amongst psychedelic enthusiasts. Perhaps it is actually you and others with this attitude that should wake up?

lets take in count how hard (in most cases impossible) it is for regular (and primitive) people to know the difference between a Drug and an Entheogen. Most dont give a damn. others, think making a difference is to justify an addiction, as fractal enchantment said, its ignorance, but, its not passive ignorance!

The fact that most people are not interested in altered states is maybe a major reason why they don't like it.
The typical druggie is not a sane person -
two reasons not to like drugs and have acceptance for the users.

Altogh I believe - a lot of "opinion" has to to with political correctness.
No major politician will ever say : "it's ok to do drugs, it's the responsibility of the individual"

And I think many people rather keep their statements politically correct!

we all know theres a lot of hypocrisy in mind altering substances politics, since alcohol is legal in most of the world.

have you ever look at the youtube videos where people smoke salvia and get their behavior on video?

just because its legal?

this for me is a form of hate againts a drug. its like saying to authorities, look, im going to stupidly use what you have granted as legal, and if somenthing happens to me is your fault!

its like... hatred as a consequence of stupidity

Drugs ARE an awakening, but for some people. just as some people can run a marathon and some will never be able to!

i started this thread to analize those people who dont consider drugs for anything good at all.

Splendid reply to my questions!

I am attacking your beliefs, Chris, because I think they are too simple, and I would like you to present some decent argumentation to back them up.

Oh, and yes, I have a life - tho it is filled with a lot of work studying physics and mathematics, so I guess I haven't woke up yet

I think by truth one can mean "to see inside one's own mind" and that's very difficult to actually "see" without the aid of psychedelics. Altough there are techniques such as meditation.

Personally I don't know if there is an "absolute truth", but to understand ones own spirit better through wise use of psychedelics is definately something one can consider "pursuing the truth".

I agree with christian, that is.

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That's just too tense, go to your math study instead of writing such stuff

I certainly agree that psychedelics may be useful in learning something about ones personal self (personal issues and stuff like that), but that's about it. Some of you talk about psychedelics like they would save humanity, claiming to be oh-so-wise while people without psychedelic experiences are sheeps/slaves/robots/ignorant of reality or a combination of any of these. I think that is pretty tense too, and not to say the least very unfair to those who have devoted their whole lives and worked hard with important and real issues that concerns us all.

Psychedelics have potential, yes, and it is a shame that they are not as much recognized to have this potential, but they are not THE solution to anything. And there is a bunch of very complex issues that deserves a lot more attention than psychedelics do IMHO.

Do you see that you are forcing your opinion and saying christians opinion is wrong, can't we still have all our own opinions? That is, if you think that is the truth, why should everyone else think like you?

Please keep things civil, disagreement is NOT a personal attack. Claims require evidence, if you're going to take the time to post assertions/claims, you should be prepared to back them up or defend them. If you identify so close with your beliefs that someone questioning/challenging them makes you feel as though you are being attacked, perhaps it's time for some self-evaluation.

There's no reason this thread can't remain free of personal attacks.