I feel ya Olympus Mon , My uncle steve is paralized from the waist down , I just had to buy him a new wheelchair..... car accident.

So it hits even closer to home for me, he was gonna be coming to stay with me for a couple weeks so I could dose him under my supervision this summer but cant because my house wouldn't allow for him to do what he needs to do as a parapaligic, bathrooms, stairs ect.

Its too bad its gotta be that way but I still think that its not as big of a horror as whats happened to the iraqi people or anyone else that is getting attacked by the usa right now, especially with the depleted uranium rounds causing god knows what for god knows how long.

im sorry about your uncle ray, its such a hard thing to watch and these beautiful people are so much stronger than you and i. my heart hurts on this topic.

yes the slaughter of millions of Iraqi's and afgani's may be more horrific but how can you vote for a man that pushes his religious views on these beloved chair bound people when the cure is right there ready to go. i just dont get it brother, How!!?

"it's a theory of evolution, and I don't accept it"

2011 and a presidential candidate still doubts evolution?

Ron Paul: Revolution minus Evolution is Just R(etarded)





Olympus Mon - I am truly sorry for your friend Jarrett. If he ever needs anything wheelchair related, please let me know.

I dont think its right, at the moment I'm listening to him speak on the topic because I dont understand how any rational person could be against stem cell research..

at the same time though anyone that votes for any other candidate is voting for US hostility and war witch to me would be way worse, I dunno how anyone could ever vote for wars of agression.

As Ron paul says in the end of that video a1pha, no one really knows what the truth is.

Ron paul speaks on stem cell research, a very wise and thought out position, Ron paul never ceases to amaze me.

http://www.youtube.com/w...O3Ts&feature=related

RAY-
wowzers!!!! he doesn't accept the theory of evolution. RAY!!!! seriously.... you really want a guy that isnt open minded enough to even suppose the possibility of evolution?!!!! brother please take all this in and re-think your choice. i mean even Obama said he would get the troops out and nada! why do you think Ron Paul would be any different the guy denies science for Christ's sake and the bible itself doesnt even contradict evolution!!! my god dude this guy is a religious zipper head zealot! i mean seriously the man with the power of the presidency that believes in talking snakes and the rapture!!!! this is your man?!!

bro he is the same as the rest of these clowns. im sorry no way in hell id get behind a man that is so naive that he deny's our physical laws and science. a man that believes the planet is 30,000 years old and dinosaurs walked the earth with humans.

please tell me your not behind this guy because of a few good stated intentions. i just cant get my brain around that. i have the utmost respect for you and your mind but i dont understand how you can look past these things just because of some empty goals that he is unlikely to be able to achieve in the first place!!!

a1pha- thank you so much for your kind offer. i love you brother, i let you know.

well he said at the end of the clip that hes not sure about the beginning of it all, he doesn't pretend to know how humans got here and evolution doesn't explain us.... I don't believe we evolved from apes either but like Ron paul says , no one really knows

I think when hes rejecting the theory of evolution hes rejecting the idea we came from monkeys, not the fact that things evolve, no one can deny that things evolve.
I personally don't believe we came from monkeys either.

I don't think just because he rejects the idea that humans came from monkeys he belives the earth is 30,000 years old or any of that other bible crap. I sure as hell don't believe that.

Ps thanks for respecting my thought process man I respect yours too and this conversation stays in this thread and has no bearing on what I think of you as a person. Its just politics in one thread

Hate to break it to ya, but we in fact came from monkeys. The evidence is pretty clear.

thats your opinion alpha, not a fact

absolutely. your still my brother whether we agree or disagree.

I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012, even if he doesn't win the Republican vote, I'll write him in.

If he doesn't win the election, then I'll probably look into voting for Rand Paul in 2016, that is to say if things haven't completly gone to shit by then and we are still having and election that year.

A1pha, why would you pick such a trivial reason for not voting for a canidate.

In that video Ron Paul does say that he doesn't accept evolution as theory. He doesn't seem to say anything about the facts of evolution, as evolution is indeed a fact and theory.(There are particular facts that support evidence for evolution, yet it is still a theory as to what the exact mechanisms and causes for evolution are.)

He then goes on to explain that he believes there is a creator and it is not important for him in his life to understanding exactly when and how we were created.

I may be just speculating here but it sounds more like he was trying to keep a neutral position while trying to answer a potentially biased question as not to dissuade potential Christian votes.

I say, well played Ron Paul.

Even if he doesn't believe in evolution, What in the Hell does that have to do with his campaign?

You seemed to be calling out Ray so often about proving how Ron Paul is going to execute these "promises" and you so often tell Ray to post something better than a youtube video.

I must say up untill now, you've been doing a good job at holding your position and presenting valuable sources to this thread. But now you go and contradict yourself by doing the very thing you've been calling Ray out for and posting this video, a weak video at that, and it's about something completly irrelevant to what Ron Paul is running for anyway?

You had me going for a little while but you lost me with that one.

Just because the man has a certain belief, however ignorant it may be, he still seems to be one of the only candiates that is defending the constitution, and it's apparent to me that he has a better understanding of economics and the constitution than any of the other running canidates.

I think it's worth a try voting for him.

If you're not voting for him then for who, and why?

If you're not voting at all, then why are you even trying to argue against Ron Paul?

What are you trying to prove by that?

Just sayin. Peace!

that ^

@a1pha
I'm curious, who you are going to vote for?

whoever he votes for is going to be for maintaining the status quo, bankrupting america even further, continuing wars of aggression and stripping the american people of rights unless he votes for Ron Paul.

by not voting for Ron Paul you are effectively voting in favor of ~

War
patriot act/ loss of liberty
hyperinflation
war on drugs



and your voting against ~

upholding the constitution
personal liberty
sound money backed by gold

hey ray out of curiosity what do you think of Obama's character?

i really feel that man's heart is in the right place and feel he got a bum deal inherited. however its a good example of the amount of forces that will try to derail R.paul at all costs. i truly feel Obama is doing his best, he isn't perfect but i dont feel he is a shitbag politician like most.

keep in mind i dont at all follow politics. i just go with my feelings but obviously from my rants you can tell i have a big problem with fundamentalism Christian's. they disgust me with their hypocrisy and are the cause of more war and suffering than any terrorist group on the planet. my country is divided in an endless battle to keep theri beliefs out of our government and its an uphill battle.

your thoughts?

well, I'm not supposed to talk about CT's here but its my personal belife that Obama is bought and paid for by the global elite.... I think he was chosen to be president by the banksters just like bush was.

just my opinion of course for what its worth. I actually think they are all bought and paid for except Ron Paul , I think Paul is truly a man of the people.

I encourage anyone interested to watch the Obama deception

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Ray in your above quote you seem to be calling out someone about predicting results.



Yet in this quote you seem to be doing the same thing you were calling out on.

I support Ron Paul and agree with you here, but a1pha hasn't even told us who, if anyone, he is voting for.

Just saying

I predict Ron Paul will do what he says he will do based on his clean record of always sticking to his principals and never voting against the constitution as a congressman,

He has proven his honesty and saw the current collapse coming 30 years ago but your right , I shouldn't say I know 100% what WILL happen, I just have strong feelings.

Olympus, My opinion on Obama's character is that he is childish, I mean seriously, he threatened senior citizens with social security checks, trying to scare them into raising the debt ceiling so that he wouldn't have to worry about the deficit until after the 2012 elections.

It was something like



Forgive me for not having the exact quote but I feel mine was more accurate to what he was trying to say, or atleast it was more antic to what he said

Besides there was plenty of other government programs that could've been cut to avoid default and raising the debt ceilling. However, this summers whole debt ceilling debacle seems to have just been a media distraction for the government introducing this so called "Super Congress". Which is really just the government comming out to the public and lettting them know we no longer have elected representives creating laws in this country. Now it's a committie of 12 members plus the president.

Well bye-bye Republic, Hello Oligarchy.

"by not voting for Ron Paul you are effectively voting in favor of ~

War
patriot act/ loss of liberty
hyperinflation
war on drugs"

Looks like someone drank the Ron Paul Koolaid and fell into the vat. Since you cannot vote for Ron Paul yourself are you not effectively voting in favor of War, patriot act/ loss of liberty, hyperinflation and the war on drugs?

Please do some additional research on those who oppose Ron and Rand Paul and their beliefs and policies. Research Ayn Rand and why her beliefs are destructive for modern day societies. Ron Paul is not the Savior that you think he is.

Peace brother.