Saw this in a friends backyard, could it be pachanoi?

landfishd, its pach, but it very well could be the dud variety. The most common horticultural pach in the usa is inactive at 2 ft of green skins...

Thanks ouro! I figured it would be too good to be true, but I will try to extract from it since now I know at least it is possible.

Ouro is right on, you'd be (very) lucky to get .5%

http://www.largelyaccura...com/pedro/pedro_02.html
now, i admit that i am a n00b to the world of cacti, but am i the only one who sees no real information in this website? i recently acquired some Trichocereus Pachanoi cuttings and joined the nexus, and since have come across myriads of conflicting "information". please don't construe my post as being arrogant or anything, but i'm really interested in learning about this plant (and other cacti) and i seriously cannot find any scientific information on it.

i was initially alarmed when i came across this "pachanoi vs. pachanot" debate. however, after digging a little deeper it seems apparent that there IS no debate, and this singular website is the only place it exists. is anybody with me on this? i spent about an hour or so searching the internet for anything regarding this supposed discrepancy and there is literally nothing about it anywhere. it seems that there is little to no scientific research on San Pedro alone, and all the "facts" i come across are based on hearsay and conjecture.

i'm not trying to be a negative nancy, rather i am asking for your guidance. does anyone have any factual information about this sacred cactus? i looked feverishly through the above website and came to the conclusion that there is little to no real scientific information on it. now, maybe i am just naive (and i'll admit i've been wrong before), but can anyone tell me what enlightenment i am supposed to garner from looking at a bunch of similar pictures that only state to "look at this", while leaving all scientific discrepancy to the already confused viewer?

please help, cactophiles. i'm just looking for definitive information about the San Pedro cactus. it seems very mysterious and uncharted.

Nate, I can't figure out what you are concerned with exactly. It is a fact that the common US horticultural clone has no so called magic in it. What factual information are you looking for? If you want to get a better idea of what strain your cactus is post some pics. Is a little uncertainty in the world that alarming?

http://www.shaman-austra.../index.php?showforum=27
you could read more about the "debate"(lulz) in trouts threads at sab


here is the specific one:
http://www.shaman-austra...dex.php?showtopic=19992


as for the rest of your post, what scientific info are you looking for, might be able to direct you...

i just don't see the supposed differences based on that Trout website with all the comparative photos. nor have i read anything regarding a "commercial" Pedro clone. i appreciate any insight. i will look a those links you posted.

i'm confused because as soon as i started researching San Pedro i came across a lot of conflicting information and haven't been able to find anything that is "definitive".

thanks again, guys. i'm still learning

SWim got these today, he assumes that they are as described, ie Bridgesii/achuma.

Can anyone confirm that these are in fact achuma, they look like the last achuma swim got, but doesn't have that great of cactus id'ing skills.

Thanks-

Sho nuff look like bridgesii. Harder to say for sure without the areols intact. It's probably got the goods.

a bit hard to tell, were the spines removed for shipping?
if not, it is likely a pachanoi(looks almost like the PC discussed above...)

Yes spines were removed. I'm fairly sure its bridgesii, the vendor was recommended by irishlion on mycotopia, and that guy knows his cactus. SWIM can't hardly wait till he has time to tea these up

There is no debate, the pachanot clone is garbage compared to other clones and clearly does not meet the criteria for pachanoi. That website you quote reflects the best up to date knowledge around and is maintained by the most well informed and scientific person in this field, period. There is so little conjecture regarding this matter that it is funny that your impression is otherwise.

There isn't anyone outside of dishonest vendors that claim that the clone called pachanot is worth obtaining growing or employing. Try and find someone who has studied the plants in the Andes and see what they have to say about this. Nobody worth their salt thinks that this clone is pachanoi, or that it is worth growing when compared to other plants.

In this thread there are plants would like to see addressed, like the puquiensis, the crassicostatus and hybrids.

Can Any1 ID this please?

Bought 2 years ago sold to me as bridgesii

It does not appear to be bridgesii, it may be hybrid but appears to be a peruvianoid, possibly allied with cuzcoensis.
It also appears to be slightly etiolated, as if grown in part sun.
It is hard to ID it because of this, the spines should grow longer in full sun, and the plant should grow thicker and have a different profile from the side.

Thanks alot Albert.

ah yes i do have some issues with sunshine as i live in Scotland lol.
It sits on an easterly windowsill so any sunshine is only in the morning.

Any suggestions on how to make it a bit healthier? maybe supplement it with some lights?
i have a cupboard with a hps lamp in it would it help if i moved it in there?

move it outside on sunny/warm days( any dry day above freezing ) they grow well outside in foggy/cool Bay Area, but wont handle freeze well (if the plant is fully hydrated, and the soil or plant surface is moist, dont let it get below freezing)

most trichs survived winters down to 15-20*f when dry in my greenhouse

how many watts is the hps in the pantry?
(thats very strong light for such use typically..)

cacti grow great under HID hps lights

Thank you dg

With it being September the weather is really starting to turn cold wet and windy here.
We might get a few mildish dry days still but im not banking on it, although any glimpses of sunshine
ill get it out in the open. I might even take it so my mothers as she has a garden which i lack because im 2 up (would a window box suffice i wonder)

Although i would rather not take it there she lives 12 miles away and i love my lil cactus, its been great watching it grow id be sad for it to leave me.

The lamp i have is 400w HID hps and the room temps range from 16 deg.c night to 28deg.c day time.
If this would be useful will it be worth putting it in now or better to wait until next growing season has started?

i'd get it under the hps now/soon
once it gets used to the bright light, it can be as close as 12-18" (as long as the temps dont burn the tip)

good luck Mate