I have heard that you can use MAOI to make the smoked dmt experience longer. I'm wondering if this will be different than ayahuasca or pharmayahuasca in that it will still come on very quickly and be just as intense but will just last longer.

Do you eat the MAOI a while before smoking it, or I have also heard that maybe you actually smoke the MAOI with some weed to get into your system. Yet another thing I heard is taking a normal pipe and putting the MAOI (in my case syrian rue) sprinkling the DMT on top and then carefully melting the dmt over it and smoking it this way...

Thoughts?

Harmalas and DMT were made for each other.

Vaping DMT while on harmalas slows down the experience and onset.

You can drink ayahuasca and smoke at the peak.

You can also make changa out of caapi leaves, or freebase harmalas, and smoke this. Lots of info in our WIKI and FAQ^

25-50mg freebase harmalas are a good vaped dose, while 150-200mg is good for oral. You can ingest harmalas orally and vaporize when you feel the time is right.

As you can see there are a plethora of combinations that can be conducted to compose a perfect synergy that harmonizes with your being. Experiment intelligently until the sweet spots have been hit. Bliss..

Thank you kindly for your prompt response

I have done a lot of experimentation with smoking DMT but have just started researching and looking into using MAOIs. I am excited for this new experimentation and the new heights I'm sure I will reach.

Lately I have been really enjoying brewing 50-100g of banisteriopsis caapi (shredded). I would recommend starting with 50g. Some people are under the assumption that they will puke and shit everywhere while having an out of body experience. Haha, this only occurs at very high doses I have found. Caapi on it's own is just bliss, especially if you start low and work your way up, finding a dose that you like best.

After doing 4 separate simmers/boils for 30 minutes each with the caapi in a large tea bag (so I dont need to filter) I add all of the caapi water together in a big pot and reduce it down to a nice sized cup. About the size of a cup of coffee. It tastes really good IMO when done like this. During the reduction I add freebase DMT and it binds to the tannic acids in the brew. Stir it good, so the molecules disperse. 50mg is a good place to start IMO.

This brew made like this is such good medicine. If it doesn't take you where you need to go, all you need to do is bust out your pipe...

Usually as House said, when I take aya/pharma, I'll usually end up smoking on top of it to really blast things to the next level, especially if it's a weak experience. There was only one time where I took syrian rue without orally ingesting any DMT, but simply smoked on it, and perceptually it was identical to a pharma trip. The only difference is that it lasted an hour instead of 4-6. But the solution to that dilemma is easy...take another hit or two and you'll be up for another hour. To me it seems almost like a more efficient way to dose pharma because you're not signing the contract for the long haul, but if you want it, you can get it by just smoking more. If it was too much, put down the pipe, if not just light up again. Then again, I'm often looking for that long deal anyway, so I'll take the pharma just to spice things up (pun intended ).

Is there any local source that i can get some form of caapi or rue (or any harmala)? Maybe an essential oil that is also a RIMA that i can get at a health food store for example?

I plan on breaking through really soon again so i dont have time order harmalas online, and would like to experience it with some form of an MAOI.

Why so urgent that you can't wait for it to come in the mail?

I'm not sure why the urgency, and you may have very good reason for it, but from my experience anything with DMT that is rushed usually involves too much expectation and thus you have a high chance of being disappointed.

Only throwing this out there to help

I looked through the FAQ and read some things about chunga and harmalas but I'm still not sure what freebase harmalas is. Im very newb here so I'm missing the very basics

If you could link me up with some info or explain to me where I can obtain some of this freebase harmalas the help is much appreciated

Thanks in advance!

you dont need freebase harmalas IMO..I have freebased them and smoked them to compare them to harmala salts and I experienced nothing new..it was the same as just smoking harmalas in salt form..I sort of think that this might be self suggestion that people think you need freebase harmalas to smoke them. People have been smoking harmala seeds as is for a long long long time without any problems.

Freebase means that the PH is is high enough so the molecule is basic..a salt form is when the PH is low enough to make it acidic. Harmalas occur naturally in plants as salts.

so how much syrian rue seeds would one have to smoke to notice a potentiation in vaped DMT?

It wont be what you are expecting. Harmalas are not just MAOI's or RIMA's..harmalas have they're own psychedelic effects and just happen to be RIMA's as well..you can take harmalas without any DMT and still have an experience..if you just go take any maoi you can find to potentiate DMT it will not be like what people here describe with harmalas. It is the effects of the harmalas that make the experience more special..not just the inhibition of maoi. Get some harmala seeds or caapi.

I have smoked literally like 10 seeds and felt some strong harmala effects for about an hour. You dont need much at all..think about how much caapi leaf is smoked in a bowl of changa with just plain leaf..you can definatily feel the effects of just smoking a bit of caapi leaf..now concider that harmala seeds contain much more harmalas..just throw some into the bowl and take a few hits..grind them up first though they can be hard to light at first.

a friend gave me some syrian rue to make pharmayahusca with. its not seeds thou, it looks like a brown/red grounded up spice.

Do I just throw this in a bowl with the dmt? do i smoke the rue first and then vaporise the dmt later?

i would smoke the rue first...or even better drink some.

when you say drink it, do i just put in lemon juice or orange juice and drink it? how much should I drink? and why is it better than smoking it?

if you smoke it, do you smoke it just like weed? and how much?

also are there any dietary concerns i should worry about before soking or ingesting the rue?

Sorry lots of questions haha thanks in advance

6 grams of rue, 50-100mg of harmaline/harmine freebase, 50-100mg of spice over a 3-hour vape session = dunno what else could be offered in psychedelic/entheogenic comparison with this supreme mixture...Unless one were to simply just add more teachers.