Hey lovely Nexians!

Well, due to my OD'ing on ayahuasca the last few times, I now have some kind of fear of the immensely powerful "launching" into hyperspace experience. And so I want to figure out how to get there without the enormous launch rush. I have slipped into hyperspace,as I'm sure many have, by going to sleep the night or 2 nights after doing ayahuasca. That is usually a pleasant, although unexpected, experience. I want something like that, except that I choose, rather than it being spontaneous.

I have recently discovered that if I meditate after smoking a bit of changa, the effects of it can last much longer than if I just try to feel the changa itself. I know that many people have had hyperspace experiences WITHOUT drugs at all, just meditation (or even completely spontaneous stuff, like Alexis Mohr had), so I'm thinking that perhaps I can work my way towards slipping into it by smoking less changa than I need to launch, and then meditating on going there.

Just wondering if anyone has had any lucky in this regard yet? Especially Antrocles...

Without drugs, I have had extraordinarily powerful meditation waterfall experiences, where I went totally insane and forgot who I was, whether I existed, what dimension I was in, etc. But they were never pleasant, nor were they what I would call hyperspace. So I'm a bit hesitant to keep trying that route. Is there some special meditation technique I need to learn?

I would say there is a reason why we have DMT. I simply could not imagine meditating into that state. I am sure it can produce altered states etc. but to get you into hyperspace? I don't think so
I used to meditate and do yoga and it's definately something "off limits" I think, to reach hyperspace through it.

I doubt there is a way for an average person to consciously meditate in to an ayahuasca state. I have read a lot of trip reports, and a lot of meditation descriptions. Meditation experiences, and psychedelic experiences don't seem to be the same thing, although they share some similarities. I have meditated myself, and the most potent results I have ever had do not even compare to a mild mind affecting substance, such as silene capensis. But having said that, I was also meditating when taking silene capensis. The psychedelics put one in a meditative sate. In meditation, I have gone in to dream like states, somewhat similar, though not nearly as focused, as Syrian Rue.

There might be rare individuals out there who can move through various states at will. The only people I know of with such powers are those who devote their entire lives to meditation. I mean like meditating as a full time job, living in a monestary, they live, eat and breathe meditation, and monk lifestyle 24/7. Such a lifestyle is not available or practical for most people. Or, there might just be some freaks out there with astounding mental abilities to move between states. These people probably go through troubled youths, trying to come to terms with their extraordinary abilities, and trying to adapt to a world that does not understand their kind. I could see many such persons committing suicide or being institutionalized. I think it would be rare to find such a person who is also well adjusted and ok with themselves.

Having said all that, it is common for me to go in to ayahuasca states during the night. However, I am usually half asleep, only half aware of it, and the experiences are very difficult to remember, but I know they happen, and they are AWESOME. I don't think I could will myself in to that state, however. It just happens when I'm lucky enough for it to happen.

Ayahuasca and psychedelics average people access to something that people could devote their entire lives to experiencing and never reach it. These things are truly divine gifts.

Meditation is not hyperspace.

With that said, after extensive use with the spice, I have access to all of my hyperspatial memories at all times. Their vividness increases with spice intake. I am reminded and have flashbacks many times a day. I love this incredible awareness that I have developed. There is no turning back, now.

I meditate knowing that just on the other side of myself lies the profound powerful mystery that beckons us all.

Meditation combined with psychedelics can definitely help to make the most out of lower doses, so rather than being forced into it you can meditate into it. I don't think there's any special technique really, i find that just closing my eyes and remaining aware automatically increases sensitivity.

It's also possible to experience the same depth & beauty of the psychedelic experience with no substance, but it's more of a feeling than something you see visually, although it is totally possible to meditate & experience similar visions. I find the less i desire to see the visions the more of them i see, a bit like standing back and seeing the bigger picture rather than chasing after a fragment of it.

I've never "meditated into hyperspace" but I've had them both bring me to the exact same place (body dissolving and merging into the white light of infinite consciousness (Brahman?)

I have experienced the feeling of my subconscious mind overtaking my conscious mind by imagining / reliving the DMT experience in my head. After experiencing 20 minutes of silence in low light, No visuals, however I was able to take things I saw apart, and put them back together again. The experience also had the same profound feeling of DMT.

I asked my mom and she said what I'm looking for is Kundalini meditation, but that it is apparently "very dangerous." Wow, a meditation more dangerous than ayahuasca? Lol, not exactly what I was looking for...

I have had really intense visual waterfall meditations, not like I was seeing everything in the universe, but it was far more than what one could normally do. I was seeing about a million things every second... but there was no coherence between these thing so it just drove me crazy. I've done that three times already--you just start imagining images as fast as possible ... and after about half an hour it starts ramping up like that.

But I guess I don't really care about the visuals. I just want to feel that I am one with the universe and have all of my questions answered. And not have a huge rush in the come-up.

People love to claim that Kundalini yoga is dangerous.

You know what the only thing I think that's dangerous about it?

Believing all sorts of ridiculous non sense that they tend to believe.

Like how "gurus" transmit the SHAKTI PAT and you can ONLY BE AWAKENED once you have received the SHAKTI PAT!

They claim if you do it wrong, the energy can rise into your brain and cause permanent damage. What evidence do they have of this? Absolutely none.

The truth is, you are the guru, and you can be "Awakened" in an instant by anything. Do not allow yourselves to be fooled and manipulated by new age mumbo jumbo.

The only other "danger" I could see from kundalini yoga is maybe doing some poses wrong and straining your muscles. O wow, Beware!

/end kundalini yoga rant

Thanks, Mr. Not sure how to type your name on here.

But I appreciate your knowledge of the kundalini yoga phenomenon... it seems to me that if it is really such a profound state, all foolishness of thinking you need a guru to awaken you would not exist... or maybe it has nothing to do with the state.

Would you say that kundalini yoga is what I'm looking for?

The ONLY thing I can say Kundalini Yoga is useful for is this:

By learning OTHER peoples' systems. Whether it's yoga, meditation, martial arts, etc-
You get to learn how OTHER people do things.
I have learned in my life to take these teachings, find what works best for me, and create something that is my own that is not attached to any false beliefs, dogmas, and all that.

Does that make sense? I have actually benefited tremendously from learning these other systems. Where human beings fail, IMHO, is when they blindly follow something just because it sounds good. You have to investigate and question what is really happening. For some people though, they can't, and like religion, being a part of some strange yoga makes them feel like they are on the true path.

It's my belief that all of our paths are unique. You are free to do as you please. No path is better than the other we all wind up in the same place. (The lovely ground)

Yes it does, much more than any "drive in" methods.

Kundalini yoga is just another of those Indian scams, I think. Along with the gurus etc. It can have some benefits, but mostly I feel like it's total BS like the other methods there.

The spiritual business is just ridiculous in india, I had to see it to believe it.

The word "englightened" back there is most used in the sense just to raise another fool above other fools. I don't want even to start. And this is just my opinion so no need do get serious if you love your guru for example

Each person comes with different equipment in that their brain (although physically similar) each having different wiring rendering a one technique fits all impractical to whatever degree said consciousness has subliminal limitations, life experience, memes, and a million other variables. I believe an adaptive adoption of the 1% (or less) that works for you borrowing from several sources is best route as house said above. I am not one to say that kundalini or any other system have any less/more merit or effectiveness however I will say transmission of impressions of altered states by another in person is nothing more than mirror neurons as well as 3rd person empathic imaginative projection of yourself over top of another persons state, and then incorporating that into your physical and mental construct. This ultimate truth gurus try to sucker you into sticking around for to be received by the master should be guarded against naturally. I think systems of meditation are less a shortcut, and more a loose guide for what works. For some people they have mental flexibility to try anything to any degree. Others are ridged and need exact instruction. At the end of a lifetime of searching you may come to the point where you are your own teacher, you have mastered all states of consciousness, and then somebody else younger than you may present another level of attainment you go after. In the end to seek externally is to suffer when all true change comes from within.

I have experienced Kundalini can cause discomfort. I believe I am logical to assume that my discomfort was in having a bad back, and trying to send massive electrical energy through my spine caused the electrical energy to derail out into other parts of my body (organs) and that is why I had these issues. Simple self chiropractic adjustment helped to fix that. So, no, I don't believe it to be dangerous, as much as awkward. I would like to say I have searched online for any reference to kundalini that was as spot on as my personal experience, and I could not find a single book for 15 years. So, by that it seems highly unlikely you will find one anything (book, video, system) that will perfectly match your body & brain type when undertaking meditative practices. This is the book that worked for me: Jonn Mumford - A Chakra & Kundalini Workbook

Even so, the original book I gleaned as a boy was the same book I used to undergo kundalini awakening and still to this day I'd say 99% of what's there could be improved upon.

Guru markets in India are sham in my honest opinion. You don't need a guru.

Reminds me of Richard Alpert. Supposedly he gave his guru in India 900 micrograms of LSD and it had no effect on him. Then at a later date he gave the guru a larger dose an nothing happened again. I guess his guru had reached enlightenment and the psychedelic experience wasn't that far off from what he experienced thru meditation...Alpert wrote about it in one of his book's....I don't remember the name of it.Who knows though unless you were actually there or experienced it yourself......

By the way, I just became a member of this forum. I've been using the wiki for a while and finally got around to signing up and posting a comment....

Ok I'm gonna try to learn more about Kundalini and see how that goes. If I'm still too frightened to go to hyperspace even with Kundalini then I will seek out a psychologist to help me overcome my hyperspace rush fears. Now the question is where to find such a psychologist... maybe I will have to be my own psychologist

most of what you write is shamefully true , however in the olden days there were really guru's who were truly great but all that dissolved into modern money makers , in the olden days enlightenment was really something else , today the situation is vastly different and much religion is nothing more than money making scams , to tell you the truth i had a guru , he died very long time back , he was american strangely enough , he would not accept anything and never asked for any money ever or anything ever, i could only offer him water , flower or a single fruit and i can say he was truly enlightened , he had done all psychadelics one can imagine and was 80 yrs old when i met him , strangely enough foreiegners and hippies coming to india in 60's and 70's took spirituality even more sincerly and seriously than their indian counterparts

and yoga is seriously nothing compared to psychadelics and is truthfully something else , its about controlling your body and your urges by trying to maintain stiff body postures , quite like don juans tensegrity in some respects , with all the energy system nothingness going on , meditation or yoga can never get you to psychadelic states i have tried a lot

and isn't hyperspace already very advanced meditation , i mean the hyperspace buzzz hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm is already the sound called OM yes OM sounds like that , like the hyperspace buzz if you are not the one chanting it but the one hearing the background noise of the universe
deep hyperspace buzz is the same sound as the word OM because its not pronounced correctly by even indians many try to pronounce it like with ooo and mmm but its like hmmmm and louder hmmmm , a continous humming , that is the background noise of the universe

Like house said, it's dangerous to become fantasized with something that sounds good... create your own words for your experiences.

I have had DMT experiences when in bed at night, I did not try to turn it on though. It's difficult to remember sometimes but the most striking one, I remember thinking "Ahah, everything I consist of, my experience, is all generated through filters" then I immediately removed these filters and was left with hyperspace...

Since then I've been interested in trying a meditation based around the removal of filters. Also, isolation and fasting are on my to-do list. Staring at your eyelids for 4 weeks while only stopping to consume a minimal subsistence sounds like it could provide quite an experience of some kind

LOL, this story of 900mg could also be made up, but even if it would not be, does it really tell anything if somebody doesn't react to acid? Indian gurus have said many things, and especially their "students" can say many things.

YES, it could be described almost like little cartoon squirrell humming OM, that is, high pitched OM/vibrating noise. It's really nice to hear it when I blast off, it comes almost every time.

I've always been sceptical about hearing anything like peolpe humming OM in the hyperspace. My OM is like squirrel humming beautifully and gracefully

BTW, Hyperspace/DMT IS the most advanced meditation "technique" we have in this planet. It's incredible we have reached this as human beings .

In the last few days of abstaining from changa or anything else, I have been feeling very peaceful. Each night I go to sleep visualizing and then dreaming about hyperspace, and then I wake up in the middle of the night with the sense that material reality is about to dissolve into hyperspace if I allow it. Unfortunately I am not in the right set or setting, so I fight to stay in material reality rather than potentially frighten my roommate. As
Spock would say... "Fascinating."

Btw I notice some people here are talking about the alien goddess that rules hyperspace. I have felt her as well, but I chalked it up to watching too much of that show "V" which they just cancelled...