For somebody who is pretty new to nn-dmt, a few questions:

1 - Is there too 'big' a dose? For example, let's say you loaded a genie with 1gram of spice and manage to take it all in one go. Is it possible that such a big dose could overload you (mentally, physiologically) and your brain just says 'woah nelly!' and blocks the trip to hyperspace?

The reason I ask is that after the first couple tries with too small a dose, some people i know just started using very large doses to make sure that wasn't a problem. Apart from potentially wasting spice, can this get in the way of breakthrough?

2 - Success rate - it seems to me that breaking through is very dependent on a variety of other factors being in place- physically healthy, mentally healthy, emotionally healthy etc. (this is just for me personally, maybe other people can breakthrough after being drunk and contracting measles.) I get the feeling like you just sort of get a sense of when it's going to work and when it isn't - does that intuition delvelop over time, or are there still lots of times for seasoned pros that breakthroughs don't happen?

I'm not sure what the physical and mental risks of too big a dose are. Frankly I don't think you can inhale more than a certain amount of vapor so I don't see the point in loading more than enough. And yes often if the dose is too high you break through but have no recollection of anything afterwards. That's not really worth it, unless you enjoy coming to, your face wet from tears, no idea where you've been... can be nice at times, I admit... but really that's not normally what you want.

People that have trouble with vaping usually have trouble with their technique I would assume. It takes a while to get down, but there are some good instructions around how to for example use the GVG properly to get 30-40mg into your lungs in one hit. That should usually do it for you. But if you don't get it in in one hit you might need more material... so it's best to try to get the technique down.

As for success rates depending on physical conditions, well I don't know. The times that it hasn't worked for me were times when I faltered and or couldn't get the technique to work properly. This can be related to mental predispositions, but if then it not working is only indirectly the result of this. If you get the right amount of dmt in your lungs I don't think there's much your body can do against it. If you're right on the verge of the break through then yeah, maybe your mind can choose to stay or to go with the flow. I've certainly had it happen, but I honestly think it has to do more with actual dosage absorbed by the lungs than with mental state.

I could be wrong. Let's see what others have to say about this.

1. Paul Bunyan is the only man that could possibly inhale a 1 gram dose. Maybe some other giants...

2. You will develop a sort of intuition I guess. It is more you begin to recognize the signs that a breakthrough is inevitable. Body high, body buzz, cranial expansion, ringing, etc. Weighing out your doses will help so you will know what ballpark you breakthrough at. I haven't had any misfires when it comes to vaping, but I have had quite a few with pharma.

3. With too big a dose, you won't remember much. You'll just kind of black out. It doesn't block hyperspace per se, but you need to find an optimal dose to remember as much as you can.

I have seen people go into a seizure with too high of a dose.

I have a friend in england who tried to smoke too much dmt to see what the effects were. Apparently around 170mg he stopped breathing and had to be resuscitated :/

I have loaded 250mg in a spoon pipe on top of some ganja and smoked it. (It was my first time I didnt know any better) and I got a breakthrough dose, as well as 6 or 7 people who hit the pipe after me.

So it seems like it is indeed hard to get too much unless you really really try.
You really really shouldn't try as I guarantee you if you vape 50-75mg that will be MORE than enough for a long time. If you aren't getting anywhere, fix your vaporizing technique. See my signature for tips.

Be safe. Hyperspace is serious shit. The last thing you want to do is OD on it and believe you are dead for an eternity thinking you will never return...

If you vaped a gram I would bet $ you would just die.

The most I've ever attempted to vaporize at once was 60mgs, and I can't possibly imagine anything more than that. In the first place, you have to get it all in before you lose motor control; I needed 3 large hits to vaporize that amount (out of a bong/oiler combo), and I barely made it before breaking through. In the second place, the trip at that level is so unbelievably fast, intense and out of control that if there is something beyond it, I personally don't think I want to know what it is.

I can only compare the onset at that dosage to being strapped to a rocket and flying directly into the face of the sun. If that amount ain't gettin' it done for you, it's a technique issue without question.

i dont know folks i must say i disagree with some things being blanketly stated. i was once an advocate of the notion that if you go too big you just black out. that was until this idea was proved horribly wrong.

after hundreds of dmt journeys over 2 years time without a single negative experience i tried vaping 70mg. to say that the experience was a bad trip is an understatement. the trip report is in the archives trust me it was very difficult. it had a lasting effect on me for well over 18 months. for a few months after the bad one my thought's actions were borderline P.T.S.D. i wasnt able to return to breakthrough dmt doses until recently and that was only after some serious work on self with the help of ayahuasca, quite contemplation, and opening up to others.

although i feel this journey was suppose to happen because today i am happier than ive evrer been. i have no skelatons in my closet any longer and its because of that difficult journey of 70mg. HOWEVER..... although it turned out good just understand it was fucking terrifying and really screwed me up for a bit.

Do not go about dmt dosing with the attitude that nothing bad can really happen. You would be suprised how bad it can get.
please be safe, be responsible.

OM'

Listen to olympus mon^

I can definitely relate to this. Thank you for posting this.

I had an experience where i eyeballed what i believed to be 40mg, but I had stored the spice in foil in a book and it had crushed down into a denser form. I now estimate that amount to be between 75-150mg, and yes, I believe i took this in one long haul. I am an ex-athlete who still trains considerably, and am able to inhale steadily for 25 seconds (yes, i am the geek that timed himself... ) Try it - 25 seconds is a loooong time to breathe in.

That report is HERE. Scroll down page 2 to see a pic of the BEAST...

This was definitely TOO much, and has scarred me considerably. I still feel I have a lot of integrating to do from that one, even though i will probably never remember all of it... Strangely though, I am very happy to have experienced that at least once, but would not recommend this dosage to anyone. I was foolish and eager and inexerienced and am now a fanatic about weighing (and reweighing and reweighing...) my doses.

Yes you can dose too much and no you don't always black out. Be careful, this is (needles to say) sum powafool shtuph.

JBArk

I (sort of) remember the first time I tried DMT. I made a very stupid math error, and without really thinking about it just considered 50mg to be half a gram... I melted most of it and was able to take three hits. There was no way I was able to take all of it but I did considerable damage to the bowl, it was melted most of the way down and there was just a puddle left at the bottom.

There was a sitter with me who said I was fine the whole time, I know that after the trip I remembered all of what had happened, but I don't anymore. Immediately after the first hit the room turned very strange, it happened so fast that I couldn't tell what exactly was wrong with the room but I did know something was. Then everything turned into intense patterns and that's about all I can still remember. The trip lasted for about 30min and the after effects for god knows how long.

I didn't go near the stuff for a few months after that, but luckily the next time I tried was a very nice experience (maybe it felt bad for what I went through) and I've been fine with it ever since.

A friend eyeballed what he thought was 50-60 mg.
Could've been more, neither of us were experienced with weighing/eyeballing Dmt. I was also on 7 grams of amanitas. Thought I died, and was in a place I saw no escape from - I had always been there, always was there, always would be there.
Felt like and saw repeated visuals of myself being smashed with a hammer.
I remember asking where "home" was toward the end, I had no idea how I got to that place and no hope of getting out. I remember words like OVERDOSE and TOO MUCH being repeated over and over through my head.
Thought I must be in the hospital, thought I was dying/dead. I wouldn't say it was fun. I would say there is too much, but as olympus said, sometimes the reintegration/loss of innocence is good.
But smoking a gram, I would bet with house on that one.

A gram?!?!? WOW That is insane. I wonder if Charlie sheen could handel a gram of that smoke? WOW!!!!

Please, the last thing we need to do is turn this into a pissing contest.
Be aware, people.

Some people learn great lessons from car crashes or other near-fatal accidents. It doesn't mean one should pursue it.

While I have no idea whether dmt can really be fatal, I would not recommend trying it out. What for? Smaller steps will get you there just as well. A break through is perfectly possible with safe doses, and it will rattle you and make you feel awe and beauty, fear and horror etc. without being dangerous or wasteful. Life is too valuable to risk, especially if it's as unnecessary as with this. So is your mental health.

Be well everyone.

I'm with the last handful of posters. I've never reached any kind of blackout, whiteout or other colored out.

For me, it's a pretty simple equation: the larger the dose, the faster and more intense the experience - and I have to reiterate that I would NOT want to experience anything faster and more intense than I already have.

Do not underestimate the potential for DMT to turn and hurt you badly. When it does, there is no other terror I've ever felt that can even remotely touch it.

I try to get all in through one inhalation with GVG. Therefore I could not imagine vaporizing more than 50-60mg. As 30mg gives very much enough of a breakthrough in one inhalation I really feel there is no need for going over 50 for me.

The relationship between dose size and effects is not linear – it seems to be exponential:

For me, a dose of 20mg is just barely visual and rarely a breakthrough. A dose of maybe 23mg is much more visual and maybe a breakthrough. A dose of 26mg is a very visual, often deeply immersive breakthrough. 29mg will often be too much (and not necessarily in a bad way) – a fully participatory breakthrough.

An effectively administered dose of 35mg produced a complete blackout: I always check the time when I begin inhaling, and this time I inhaled the dose, laid back, and the next thing I remember is opening my eyes and looking at the clock – over 10 minutes had passed and I had absolutely no memory of what had happened. It felt like I had been through a heavy physical workout, and I had the sense that the experience was pleasurable, but I have absolutely no memory of the experience.

By analogy, I relate dose size to experience in the same way that volume of music can be related to the listening experience: Just as with music there is an optimum volume, with DMT there seems to be an optimum dose.

Music at too low a volume won’t be enjoyable – there are many subtleties you just won’t hear. DMT at too low a dose is the same – the visuals will lack definition and clarity, and there will be “distance” between self and the experience.

Music that’s so loud it ruptures your eardrums is horribly unpleasant, even if what you’re listening to is your favorite tune. A DMT dose that’s too high can be similar – even if what you’re seeing is beautiful beyond description, the intensity can be too much to bear.

A dose can indeed be too large! Here's why:

So I loaded a ball of yellow spice about the size of a pea into my VG. This may sound irresponsible, but I can never really inhale all that much out of a VG quick enough anyway.

So obviously I didn't make my metal scrub large enough to hold a dose like that. I turned the heat on pretty hard to try compensate with a fast rate of vapourisation. Yes, it was a pretty strong hit, but as there was not enough room for the dose to soak into and DMT moves away from heat, a rather hot and foul tasting liquid dripped into my mouth.

Although this is more a tale of a bad smoking method, I'd just like to stress that people think about these kind of logistics when dosing on the higher side, as a large quantity of hot caustic liquid on your tongue is far beyond unpleasant.

Much intense vomitting followed

More on the point, in my experience, if people are actually vapourising 80mg+ doses effectively, a bright spiralling light followed by loss of memory for up to 20 minutes is a strong possibility.

I wouldn't liken it to a blackout, but for the purpose they serve, you get pretty much the same outcome. Something does indeed happen, but your feeble mind will struggle to take notes.

The breakthrough is something of an anomaly. Its not defined as "a good solid experience catalyzed by a reasonable dose of dmt" ...that can happen over and over and not be a breakthrough. While to do admit breakthroughs may be more likely to occur on a dose above the bare minimum... say 10-20mg
it is not exactly guaranteed by using a larger dose. I hope you (binggobosdong) understand what im trying to get across.

For me, anything over 30mg in the GVG is a waste. In the past i had a regular weed pipe and i used to load up 50mg, fumble and toke. Sometimes it worked, sometimes everything caught flame and i got am mouth of burnt plastic tasting horror and often a scary ride.
I too have been licked by the tongue of Hades and have been jaded by a few horrifying experiences that were probably a result of my own doing (over loading the pipe, finding the sea legs whoever you wish to describe it).
I even tried loading up 70mg when i was getting a bit too bold, and was quickly met with a black out followed by a scary re-entry into the waking state. This was confusing and traumatizing and was the result of a poor vaporizing technique leading me to think i was inhaling all the DMT in the bowl on prior attempts thus loading more in... Glass vapor Genie 30mg... one toke that's how i roll these days.

Good thread by the way. Its interesting to see y'all say similar things.

When I smoke a reasonable dose for myself, breakthrough, and return, most of the detail are pretty clear. I've been keeping a journal, as it helped me in my vivid dreaming phase to remember my dreams upon waking. When I say black out from a large dose, I don't mean a black out from slamming my head into concrete. I mean something along the lines of I know something just happened, but my brain refuses to remember the details upon coming down.

I am nowhere near as experienced as a lot of you, but I have had horrifying trips from too large a dose. I have flashes, screenshots if you will, but I do not recall the details of the trip.

I can relate to Xt's post above me. The reintegration into the waking state of a large dose has been one of the most harrowing experiences I have had yet on any psyche.

Peronsonally I have never reached a true black out or pass out dose. I have gotten to places that were extremely uncomfortable with my heart beating so fast at the onset and then felt as it it just stopped durring the peak..the feeling that all time has stopped..like time becomes a standing wave..Even if it lasts just 1 minute it still feels like forever in a way. Usually I cant remember what happens at that dose but I dont think I ever really blacked out, I just cant remember it. Those doses, and breakthroughs in general I dont always find to be the most useful or healing, though I may be in the minority here. Sometimes I do come away from a breakthrough crying becasue I really did merge with everything, and have been convinced I was one with god a few times.


I personally find a good dose of harmalas with a light dose of DMT to color the harmala visions to be the most benifical way to work with DMT.