I've noticed time after time that while coming down from DMT of any sort,
I feel like I'm waking up from a dream. Yawning, Watery Eyes, etc.
There's nothing unpleasant about it at all for me.
AAANNNDDD Once I hit baseline, that's it, I'm down.

Mushrooms on the other hand...
It's kinda the same.
Except once I hit baseline, I may rise and fall (in terms of "tripping" a few or more times.
The whole point of this post however is that instead of just having yawning and watery eyes,
my chest gets HEAVY ... Like, I almost can't breath because of it.
Then I start coughing up a bunch of ... gunk.
My eyes water PROFUSELY, like to the point where my contacts almost fall out.
My sinuses get so stuffed, it reminds me of bad allergies, except I have none.
Then my nose starts running nonstop for a good while, and I'm talking just straight nasty running.
The last time I did mushies, I wound up throwing out my shirt because it was the only thing
thick enough to hold all of the mess

I would think it's an allergic reaction of some sort except it only happens while I'm coming down.
Once I'm down all the way, finally, it ceases.

Mushrooms are my "fun trip" of choice but ...

Any input on this ?
I've asked around other forums but I'm getting nowhere.

Yawning is common on mushrooms. For some dripping nose, too, but about the other effects I don't know. Everybody reacts differently, when the effects become too unpleasant, it's best to change the medicine.

I do wonder if there are other contaminants in the mushrooms sometimes. I do feel constricted slightly around my throat sometimes, like I'm gasping for breath at the peak, and every now and then I get hives on my face. Nothing SEVERE, but mushrooms do seem to have a higher body load. My eyes also water like crazy.

High amounts of oral DMT have sometimes made me yawn the way mushrooms do, and there is nothing quite like a tryptamine cry.

The last few times I ate mushies I've been getting odd negative side affects that I never experienced until after my 9th or 10th trip.

I get a "heavy chest" feeling like I've been out smoking a ton of cigarettes and I cough alot but nothing comes out.
I've also been getting a pain in my side that feels like a mild runners cramp.
Like I said I just started getting these with affects with the last few times I ate them, I've always gotten watery eyes and yawning and felt really dirty like I had been rolling around in the dirt all day...even the times I hadn't been rolling around in the dirt

My friend once had his hands swell up while we were tripping, and I have also experienced a feeling like my lips were ever so slightly swelled.
I also experience a cough like the mushroom one occasionally when I do acid, but that is a common side affect of LSD. Not too sure how common it is with shrooms though.

For me the negative body feelings I've been getting are worth taking a break, I feel like my body is telling me I don't need them for a while.
Although I have also wondered if it may be a contaminate it the mushrooms because it only started happening recently.

After taking mushrooms at least 150+ times I have realized a few things..

For starters make a well filtered tea..it seriousily cuts down on some but not all of these side effects..and you come down after the peak a bit faster because there are no solid mushroom bits still inside of you digesting slowly..alot of the come down side effects seem to be from an ongoing slow release of psilocin after the main peak, not all of the effects are due to this though..

Some of it may be contaminants as well in the mushrooms, depending on how much care was taken growing them..then there is also the presense of other alkaloids such as baeocystin etc in cubes and some other mushrooms.

The strain also makes a difference. For me cubes have some of these side effects and it is just part of the trip. The clearest experiences I have ever had with mushrooms were with psilocybe cyanescens..they dont seem to have all the same side effects that cubensis have and are loaded with psilocybin. Psilocybe cyans are near identical to DMT in my expereince and they can seriousily kick your ass and leave it suspended in hyperspace for hours if you are used to cubes and try to dose them the same way.

I think this is what is so special abotu ayahuasca though..and DMT in general..when it is over it is just over..thats it, it just turns off. Ayahuasca never lasts more than 3 hours for me..maybe others are different I dunno. For me mushrooms can tend to linger and I might be slightly sore even if I had cyans..not that it is that big of a deal and I usuaully feel great after taking them..but ayahuasca just feels like our bodies were meant to ingest it more than anything else. You can tell that DMT is endogenous to us when you take it..it is so smooth and so clear..

The peak of DMT and the peak of a good dose of cyans to me would be hard to tell apart..but the fashion and speed in which each one leaves the body is different for me. The direct afterglolw with ayahuasca is not nearly as euphoric or humerous as mushrooms are..ayahuasca is more peaceful and medative I think afterwords.

I wonder what brews with phalaris or other acacia species with extra alkaloids would feel like though..maybe they would feel less clean and clear in the wake of the main experience.

If you have not had psilocybe cyanescens I highy suggest you seek them out.

Either way

look into working with milk thistle (Silybum Adans) seeds when taking mushrooms. This is an amazing healing plant and has a very poweful effect over the human liver, in particular reference to certain types of mushroom poisoning...

otherwise im with fractal on this one... a very well filtered tea is the key to controlled release into the system and gentle comedown.

ive spent many a trip dealing with unpleasant mushy guts and associated side effects to explore many potential methods of enhanced enjoyment.

im actually working on some low dose herbal mushroom homebrew at the moment that I envision will signifigantly reduce any potential shroom related side effects... (still in prototype phase however...)

Fractal has mentioned some important points: type of shroom and way of ingestion plays a huge role here. The freshness of what you ingest also matters. Old (badly conserved) shrooms are definately more likely to cause these effects.

Okay .. Ya, it's always cubes floating around here.
I'll have to see if anyone has cyans or try an attempt at growing again.
My last failed horribly . Not that experienced at growing ...

As for the tea, I have heard of it a multitude of times but I've never thought once about trying it.
I suppose it's about time. I usually just chew em until they're mush... TEA PARTY!!!!

Thanks for the replies, peace.

I first tried tea about 8 years ago and haven't looked back since. By far the best method IMO.
A coffee press works great for keeping the solids separate from the brew.

Any tea making tips please??...is it just chop them up and pour over boiling water and let them simmer for 5 mins before draining and drinking??

- Or boil them chopped for 10-20 mins,etc??



- I thought the heat would destroy the psilocin....is this incorrect??

I've actually only tried a tea once with remaining mangled mushrooms which my puppy had gotten to after I irresponsibly left them in an accessible place. I do remember it being a lot smoother and less body-heavy. I keep telling myself I am going to do a tea again but it has yet to come to fruition. But I agree, the mushroom body-weight and other negative side effects can be crippling. I usually get very yawny, cloudy eyes, bloated stomach, extreme heaviness, and I've gotten some mean headaches after alot of trips. The tea does seem the way to go. I'd love to try out other mushrooms as well but I've only had cubensis. Also, blacking-out/fainting are no joke. I know many (including myself) who have fainted from what I suspect to be funky blood pressure, or from heat + mushroom. I could tell a story about two reckless and irresponsible young fellers who thought it would be a good idea to go mountain biking during the Southern California summer and eat some mushrooms..
Stupid idea.

Any tea making tips please??...is it just chop them up and pour over boiling water and let them simmer for 5 mins before draining and drinking??

- Or boil them chopped for 10-20 mins,etc??




I was under the impression that it was stable at pretty high temperatures. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong NexusChemists

Thanks for the advice, cave.

-I just googled the shroom tea thing and got a lot of results. Lots of fun eating recipes too...

Definitely add the lemon juice as well. It will help the alkaloids move into solution and is said to also convert the psilocybin into psilocin.

Chop them up.
Dump them in coffee press.
Squeeze lemon (or orange) juice on top let that sit while water boils.
Add water and let steep for 15-20 minutes (I usually add a bag of green tea or some other flavour around the 15 minute mark)
Press screen down and pour into favorite drinking mug.
I typically do a second steep and drink that if I can, or save it in the fridge for a rainy day.

Enjoy!

Thanks South and Ragabr.

- It certainly gives new meaning to the tradition of " high tea "

Hmm..

I started to get some reactions similar to what u described but what I reckon it was, was actual real allergies just being 'emphasised' by the mushroom trip just as every other aspect of mind/body experience is emphasised.

I also used to take mushrooms and be able to walk for miles and miles. I can still do this now, and have even climbed a munro whilst on a low dose of mushrooms, but I find that I get overly out of breath when on mushrooms now. Probably a lot to do with age, but perhaps also a bit to do with some new found allergies, of which people are beginning to develop and suffer from increasingly.