Why is governments so against natural psychadelics!!! Non toxic dmt that enlightens your soul (illegal) or toxic alcohol that wrecks thousands of peoples lives evry year (legal)

The real answer is obvious but the sheeple follow corrupt governmentship, sad

The reason why is because they want you to be a sheep ,nothing else.They're only desire is to keep you in the dark.

I don't think drug laws are all that cloak and dagger. I just think they are too rooted in western tradition. Even tobacco is on the way down in this country, what with plans to take it off display in shops.

There was a lot of talk about plant prohibition at the most excellent Breaking Convention last weekend. The things I took away with me were:

World prohibition started in the U.K. When the Chinese insisted on being paid in silver for their tea, Britain (not wanting to lose silver) instead introduced opium (grown in India) to the Chinese, getting as many as they could into the habit, and then paid for the tea with opium. When a community of Chinese started to emerge in London, they brought their opium habits with them. Britain, having happily encouraged the Chinese to take as much as they could, strangely didn't feel the same about their own people, so banned it. And of course, once the precedent had been set, more and more plants have been added to the list.

The other thing was that the reason nothing ever happens about reversing prohibition is not so much that there is some clever scheme to stop people exploring consciousness, but that there is no political advantage to promoting liberalisation (which, after all, is the politician's motivation for any action) - but there is a huge political disadvantage in that the papers (i.e. Daily Mail et al in UK) will tear you to pieces. The papers just love furthering the idea of the terrifying dangers and threat posed by 'drugs' (ie the unknown) simply because it is the perfect shock/outrage subject which makes joe public buy the paper, get a thrill from reading it, and so buy it again the next day.

So basically, the papers aren't interested in the facts because it is just too good a story to let go of...and the politicians aren't interested in the facts because they're too terrified of the fear & fury that the papers have whipped up being turned on them.

That is true of most politicians, but Ron Paul, for example, is an exception. I wish other countries had a Ron Paul equivalent.

OK, if MH-UK received their Bark last week how can customs destroy my package on it being a controlled substance and then let the same product through to other suppliers? As i have only received a phone call and no Notice of Seizure is this just the customs way of scaring people off; has this happened to anyone else on this forum?

Like i said previously i will post the Notice of seizure and the legal grounds it gives for this seizure when (if) it arrives and i will keep members informed of my attempts to get compensation for my bark.

Kerberos

Are people sure customs released the bark? I was very much under the impression that mh-uk aqquired their bark through alternate means

Just read their e-mail again. I thought they had received one box from customs but it looks like alternate means was used for the box of mimosa

Very good summary of the situation. This ought to be stickied in the CEL forum. 99% of the challenge of prohibition reform lies not with the population at large, but in the vicious interplay between the press and politicians. The ZOMG!GOOGLERONPAULSHEEPLE!!1! approach is not going to have the damndest effect toward stopping amoral, headline-chasing politicians treating any given issue as a political football.

Spiritgarden seem to have plentiful MHRB Jurema stock, so all is not lost. It wouldn't surprise me if the OP's and MH-UK's packages were impounded/incinerated simply for having come from Brazil.

OK quick update, it appears that i was trying to import 5.5KG of Dimethyltryptamine

below is the info from the notice of seizure.

The following items: 5.5KG Dimethyltryptamine
Received from: Brazil

Are liable to forfeiture on the grounds that:-

They are controlled drugs and were imported into the united Kingdom contrary to the prohibition in force (see 1 below):and also possibly

They were mixed, packed or found with controlled drugs (see 2 below)and/or

They were not described accurately by the sender on a written declaration accompanying the parcel(see 3 below)

They have accordingly been seized (see 4 below)

1 by virtue of section3(1)of the misuse of drugs act 1971 and section 49(1)(b) of the customs and excise management act 1979

2 by virtue of section 141(1)(b) of the customs and excise management act 1979

3 by virtue of section 167 of the customs and excise management act 1979 and regulation 16 of the postal packets (customs and excise) regulations 1986 (S.I. 1986 No 260)

4 pursuant to section 139(1) of the customs and excise management act 1979



I am contesting this so any advice will be gratefully received.

Kerberos

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Well section 3 (1) simply says "The importation of a controlled drug"

And 49 (1)(b) just says: "any goods are imported, landed or unloaded contrary to any prohibition or restriction for the time being in force with respect thereto under or by virtue of any enactment;"

So the legal debate is whether something with a controlled substance within it is the same as the substance itself. I would be very surprised if this exact legal question has not been tested many times in the past - so the way forward would be to find that precedent, and present it to them chapter and verse. Unfortunately you may find you need legal help tracking down the precedent (Citizen's Advice Bureau, maybe?). Actually, I have a vague memory that someone at "Breaking Convention" mentioned that C&E behaved like this once with San Pedro, and the judge said there was no case to answer (so might be best to start your precedent search looking for a San Pedro case).

Of course the logical argument is that, as we all contain DMT within our bodies, everyone passing through Heathrow is falling foul of the Act...but I wouldn't know if that would be accepted as a valid legal argument - seems exactly equivalent to me, but then I'm a biased non-lawyer.

A precedent though is almost always decisive.

Good luck, and we're all standing by to set up a "Free Kerberos" campaign if it all goes pear-shaped!.

But seriously - you will be doing a great service if you get a result.

[EDIT] Actually, it might be worth giving MAPS an email, to see if they have any ideas/advice.
[2nd EDIT] Found some details on U.N. Convention - check your PM's
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I really doubt that bark would have yielded 5.5kg of DMT, if customs were right about that then that bark would have been the greatest yielding precursor in precursor history but it wouldn't have made logical sense, if the bark weighs 5.5kg and 5.5kg of it is DMT then how does the bark exist? Would it not just have been pure DMT crystals?

Any idea if the package was indeed labeled '5.5kg Dimethyltriptamine'? Because if so I wouldn't be at all surprised it got impounded.

If it was more accurately labeled 'mimosa hostilis root bark', which of course you needed your herbal soap making pursuits, then they're bang out of order, they haven't got a legal leg to stand on, and any half-competent solicitor ought to be able to secure you a refund and an apology.

think of it like pot...

u get charged for 8grams of pot not 1300mg of various canabinoids..

they are stupid. ignorant.

when the cops pull a pot plant here they weigh it with rootball dirt whole plant. sometimes the bucket even! and you get charged with growing 200lbs of pot even tho it was only 10 plants in a 6x6 room.... so to them you were growing 200lbs of 'pot' in your basement that sells for either 28gx20$x16ozx200lbs... OR 8x60$x16x200lbs. so 1,782,000... you are evil

monkeys trapped in a roundabout. all of them.

maybe they will all call it DIMETHYLTRYPTAMINE!!!! did you hear that?! METH!!!, to separate it in spoken word and common knowledge to aya/mhrb and anything with a soft alluring side of naturalism and longterm history of use.

no conspiracy theories tho. not here anyway.

To most people, that's exactly what they are at first glance. I highly doubt there isn't an underlying teleological agenda, though. Of course the layman who uses entheogens as just another means to get high will be considered as non-malignant by the powers that be. However, those who truly apply themselves while using these entheogens could spark a drastic revolution or reformation of the mind, thus leading to physical action. This is why I believe entheogens are criminalized and unjustly placed along the ranks of other differing classifications of drugs.

I live on a British island, off the UK mainland. I've been trying to resolve with the local customs as to whether i can legally import mimosa or not. I have already told them it's for my skin care, and not for resale, or anyone else, etc.

-However , they said that untill it is definately confirmed by UK customs, that "anything" i order will be tested for dmt,and if found to contain, i'll be in trouble.

-So much for trying to cooperate with the authorities, and be a decent citizen!!

One might want to try this: Buy about 250g of rootbark from the netherlands and ask them to ship in letter package that's hard and under 3cm thick. That way it's treated as a small package and if it's sent with priority airmail, there are thousands of that sort of packages and the customs will not bother opening it most likely. If you order as a package sized box, it's more likely to be opened at the customs.

MH-UK.co.uk is selling mimosa these days, so I don't know why it's such a problem these days. One might try ordering about 250g from them in a small letter-thick package to avoid any checking from the devil's customs. Goood luck to the UK, fight back the fools

Thanks for the advice, Tele. But anything posted to me will be treated as suspicious and examined for dmt type class a drug.

-That is what customs have told me. Obviously they are treating me as a suspect potential drug importer, after i just made an enquiry!!

-Having said that, they have been doing this to a lot of my past orders, (since a silly past incident that isn't even worth printing.)

> So, i can't risk ordering it discretely. Someone else could try on my behalf, but i wouldn't want to try this either.

How do you guys pay for your bark? Is there any need to take precautions, like postal orders instead of credit cards? My friend has ordered off SG before, and the bark legit, but expensive, and unshredded, which broke a blender :evil: He just wants to be on the safe side, the fewer records/ evidence of his skin care supplements the better... BUt at the same time, not using a card adds complication to the procedure...

Purges, whole bark isn't illegal apparently, because it's in no way a preparation of dmt, and your customs should therefore allow this to reach you, without any issues.

- In my case the local customs do not know what uk customs know as of yet and are trying to find out , and untill then they are treating mimosa as potentially illegal,etc.