I never liked rue in large amounts. I honestly never ever felt any toxic effects from caapi at all. I never experienced any purging or nauseating effect from caapi, but with large amounts of rue i always had to puke and felt dizzy and uncoòrdinated. On the whole i have quite a strong stomach and hardly ever have to puke from any product so i figure that for most people, rue must be realy heavy to take in large amounts. But in small amounts added to caapi brews it can indeed add an extra dimension. I think this is because harmala's are very synergistic toghether.
For this reason, passionflower probably also combines very well with both caapi and rue.

SWIM pretty much always gets nausea from caapi, even at low doses just strong enough to activate DMT. Not so with rue. SWIM can take a lot of rue, enough to trip from it alone, and not get nausea.

Maybe you are boiling the rue? That extracts more nasty junk from the seeds.

SWIM never boils rue. He steeps it in hot water, like making tea.

That's exactly the reason why SWIM, when he uses caapi copy, adds some small amount of harmaline (like 30 mg). This at least seems to boost visuals.

When you take THH and jurema tea, visuals and geometric patterns are more like colourful laserbeams in the dark. When drinking jurema tea activated by rue however, you more likely get "real photo images", like those shipibo art paintings.

I've never used the method you describe. I always boiled it in water with acid or just ate the seeds. I have once experienced tripping from rue alone, so i know it has potential. If this method works for me (everyone is different ofcourse) than using this in with DMT would definately be an asset to my assortment of favorite psychedelic's.

I definately think that the tannins in both caapi and mimosa could be unhealthy. In ancient times people used to make leather by letting the skins of animals soak in treebark water-extracts. There are enough tannins in the bark of many plants to turn skins into leather that way, so maybe too much tannins from mimosa and caapi are not that good for the stomach either.

Why not give plain rue tea a try? Brew it exactly as you brew tea. Add hot water to 2-3 grams of ground rue seeds. Don't boil it and don’t add any acids or anything else. Let it steep for 15 minutes or so. Strain it, removing all the seed solids. Then add citric acid and freebase DMT. That's the method that produces the cleanest experience for SWIM. It's not as good if you boil the rue or add acid to the tea while brewing it. Boiling it or adding acid is a sure way to make inferior rue tea that causes more side effects. Brewed as plain tea, it’s much better than using caapi, in terms of side effects. The trip is different from caapi of course.

Plain rue tea contains harmine, harmaline, and sometimes a ton of harmalol, as well as some other actives.

You know, I've wondered if the espresso machine method might work for coarsely ground seeds, or even whole seeds (seeing as how my Manske's have gone well without grinding). Has anyone ever tried this? I think Strassman or someone mentioned it as a possible route of preparation somewhere??

I just happen to be cleaning my espresso machine tonight and I'm curious about this.

Exactly! Tastes even nice, too. Also great for modifying smoked DMT.

Rue - or rather 'Aspand' since it's neither Syrian nor Rue - has always been a great ally to me and I also feel it's often underappreciated!

Yes. Make sure you use enough ground seeds to cover the bottom of your portafilter basket (the place where you put espresso grounds). Brewing 3-4oz off of 4-5g seeds has worked.

Adding how much citric acid to a mug of rue tea ?
This and the espresso method sounds good to give plain rue a try...

Rue tea is so bitter though. It tastes interesting, partly, but just a little harsh for me.

Harmalas in a veggie capsule with many holes poked in it works wonderful(just regular wall pin to make holes). Swallow, wash it down with some orange juice and you can feel it dissolve suddenly in your stomach about 20-30 mins later. Vulnerable/heavy stomach feeling suddenly, and you start feeling it after-wards.

Question: Do harmala salts feel easier on ones stomach than freebase harmalas? I haven't tried any yet, but will soon.

I imagine the freebase isn't as efficent or stomach friendly due to extra reactions having to take place in the stomach, whereas hcl salts are already there.

Yeah.....too bad I gave away my espresso machine over the weekend to my new brother-in-law. He drinks a lot of coffee and he and my sister just brought a baby into the world (30 days old ), so I thought he could use something a little stronger. He didn't seem very thankful or appreciative.

ive dosed rue seeds ground in capsuls many times up to 9 grams without much of any toxic effect noticed aside from the purge but i was also drinking mimosa and once purged felt fine but i cant attest to any solo rue experiences yet tho i did have a friend once who consumed 12 grams of raw ground rue and tho they did vomit a bit they also had a complete visionary voyage and had some strong visuals but idk how well such a dose might go for anyone else so be wary mileage may/will vary

What's the purpose of the citric acid and are there any commonly found alternatives to that?

Citric acid reacts with freebase dmt and makes the salt dmt citrate which is easier to absorb in your intestines. You can probably eat other salts dmt fumurate etc.

You can get citric acid at supermarkets. Just stick to citric or ascorbic acid if unsure.

Rue is like the "cool teacher", he can show you amazing things, but he has a mean streak, as we all do...But his usual awesome demeanor is more than enough motivation to treat him with respect....Its like, when you have a cool boss, you do a good job, cuz you don't want to let them down...lol

I've recently started using rue unextracted in gel caps with mimosa tea quite regularly. Now I realise that extracting from it was actually a waste of time and I seem to get just as good results from the seeds as they are.

Using the standard 3g's I slip into the required headspace quite nicely. I also don't really experience any of the stoned effects as much as I used too and even with 8g's mimosa I can still be quite active.

It's been a nice way to tidy up some of the long term lessons I've been applying

I had 3g's rue, 6g mimosa and .6g cubes a couple of nights ago. Slight nausea settling in, but I didn't purge and for the 9 hours I was in the zone I felt very invigorated, content and clear.

Highly recommended.

What is the weight ratio difference between freebase and salt? SWIM normally takes 250 to 350mg freebase extraction orally, what would be the salt equivalent? SWIM has noticed an upset stomach with the freebase and wants to give the salt a go (it is drying right now). What swim has right now has been, based twice and manske twice, so it is pretty clean, according to SWIM, plus SWIM did a room temp saturation of the harmalas liquid on the last manske and it immediately began to precipitate- nice golden fluff.

I'm sure it depends a lot on your salting method, which salt and plenty of other factors.

From what I understand it's best to start with a known amount of freebase, say 1g, and salt that.

When you are finished salting, you know that there are 5 200mg doses or 4 250mg doses.

Once you get your salting method down you can kind of predict what the end salted yield will be.