ok, after 6 failed pharma attempts, all around 75mg of DMT and over 250-300mg of harmalas

Last night I took 400mg of harmalas, and 120mg of DMT.
(T = 10:30pm) (First dose of harmalas)

(T + 0:15) I took 100mg of harmalas periodically every 3-4 minute or so, and once I completely ingested 400mg of harmalas I drank a liquid containing lemon juice and 120mg of DMT.



(T + 0:30) I smoked a small amount of weed less then 0.1g with a nice pinch of harmalas on top.

(T + 0:45) I am feeling very strange, SOMETHING is going to happen, I know it.

(T + 0:50) I decide to smoke a bowl of changa. it all begins here, I inhale the DMT vapor and drop the pipe, here it comes, frighteningly fast, everything around me transforms into hyperspace.

Oh damn, how long am I going to be here? Holding a small LED light in my hand, it transformed, so I forget about it and turn it off, the bed sheets have transformed into a DMT style pixelated fractal monster and they are devouring my body, the Room is nothing but black hyperspace, my window is nothing but a bright futuristic green frame, and my door has transformed into the entrance to hell, Now completely under my bed sheets, I am in a bright, orange yellow hyper-spacial room moving at incredible speed with insanity and craziness beyond imagination.

There are creatures and aliens whispering to me, The torture begins. I am smashed, shaken, crushed, my entire body is rocked by intense forces as if it is being constantly smashed by a hyper-spacial tsunami. My body cannot move, It is held in place by strange G-forces, This reminded me slightly of the strange body effects of salvia divinorum. I had kept getting a catch in my throat, I thought if this continued much longer I would have a intense purging soon.

The torture continued, This was the deep end, these were POWERFUL vibrations, they completely rocked and crushed every part of me. It was like trying to enjoy a swim in the ocean during a hurricane. Eventually, I was able to find my flashlight, I shined the bright LED on the ceiling, the light was brilliant, the torture had ceased, Hmm that was frightening I told myself, Just the same amount of craziness seen in smoked DMT, with much added duration, and intense vibrations.

(T + 1:40) There was calm and serenity, the storm had reached a standstill, I had some time to relax, but I felt the building again, it was getting stronger again.

Occasionally I would receive a jolt, or some kind of electrical wave, but most of it had subsided.

I eventually fall asleep, and do not purge.

I wake up feeling extremely wobbly, and quite happy to be alive

Pharmahuasca is some heavy stuff, I still don't believe those things I saw, and those colours, Ive never seen anything like it.

Wow that sounds like a recent pharma experience i had. Everything was wobbling and i heard this voice telling me that reality was a lie.. and i felt a strong force trying to pull me outta this world which would then make my whole head shake vigorously as if it was gonna explode. I somehow managed to make it to the bathroom just to sit my head in the toilet and wait for a purge that never came. lol all in all im glad to still be alive from it

I've has quite a few sessions like this. No matter how hard I get my ass kicked I keep coming back for more, the positive trips are just too good to pass up .

Nice.

>ok, after 6 failed pharma attempts, all around 75mg of DMT and over 250-300mg of harmalas

repeatedly, I have posted on this forum, these amounts are simply not enough! 250mg of harmalas may only be 50% pure. You need at least 300mg, more like 350mg. 400mg might be a bit strong.

If your syrian rue is good, a straight brew is going to feel a lot better and smoother and benefit the duration and nature of your experience, than extracted harmalas.

100mg DMT is where it starts for MOST people. Very few people are going to get much at 60mg-75mg.

Next time try 200-250mg DMT. 300mg is about the upper limit for most.

Your duration is very short here. And if you do a really high dose, you shouldn't be able to move for some hours!

Just fyi, 150 mg had me borderline over the the edge and 200 mg had my friend convinced that god was telling him to destroy humanity. Just sayin...

30mg is enough for me to get a beautifully colorful fractal filled experience. I can't speak to the extent of extracted harmalas, as I always crush up 4g syrian rue and put them in gel caps. I do agree that if you have a sufficient dose, you won't be moving very far for a while. Something that I would like to reinforce, especially for those who seem to be having a failed experience is to vape some DMT. This should kick things up about 3 notches as it seems MindIllusion figured out when smoking the changa. I'm sorry to hear it was such an uncomfortable time, but if you get stuck in a "hellish" experience, I highly recommend cuing some music (it's usually helpful to find a convenient way to cue it in the event you can barely move). Try humming, singing, talking to someone, or watching television if things get uncomfortably rough because distracting yourself from your own thoughts can be your best friend in situations like these.

Thanks for the input guys,
I will be upping my harmala dosage, although i felt them quite strongly, these are definitely not the purest harmalas I have extracted, I will be taking around 350-400mg next time.

And yes vaporizing DMT certainly ups the effects to breakthrough intensity for quite a while..

And also global, yes the experience was quite hellish, and i guess you could say it was uncomfortable, but what kind of righteous intensity is comfortable?

I like hell, although hell isn't great fun, its a cool place to be

My first pharma trip was one of my more intense DMT experiences, and though I legitimately couldn't move if I wanted to (curled up on the couch in a blanket, not able to even rotate my head inside a buzzing golden beehive of energy), I never found myself to be more comfortable in my entire life.

So it only lasted about two hours? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you mainly felt the vaped DMT, which was lengthened by the MAOI? I really want to try pharma, but it seems like everything I read is so hit or miss with it. I'm planning to use ~200 mg caapi copy taken ~20 min prior to ~65 mg white DMT.

You revived a thread that was about a year old.

I'm reading it like I'm reading it for the first time, and I see I made a post from July lol.

heheh, good times... I actually haven't consumed pharma to trip like that since.

And pleasants, yeah IME the peak of the experience is about 2hrs.

and No, the vaped DMT was simply the ignition for the hyperspacial riot. , I could tell the effects apart immediately after vaping. (slower, but still very fast, much more forceful.)

Pharma is a lot of hit and miss. If you don't get over the 'threshold' it seems, you don't experience what your seeking. Vaping DMT can help you get over the threshold.

Vaping DMT alone while heavily MAOIed, never lasts longer then 30-45min IME