My friend was dumb. He got 5kg, way bigger than previous work. Thought filter and what not would be to difficult due to volume. Did STB with odorless mineral spirits(naptha) with the intentions of freeze precip. Huge emulsoins occurred allong with spills and other non-sense. Decided to put it in staorage and work with other problems at hand. Well he retrieved it about say 2 months after that(had no knowledge of dmt n oxide or any other concern about longterm storage or in solution FB) He got maybe a 2g or so of normal spice. Now he is pulling all kinds of brown goo. Looks good in freezer other than the substance settles on the bottom rather than on the sides, and np never seems to clear. Starts melting well before room temp almost instanly once out of cold NP. Telltale odor is present in environment but the the goo. Has attempted more NaOH, NaCl (to reduce polar soluability and release emulsion). Reducing NP volume boiling in vision ware, filtering np through dry epson salt. Needing help identifying the goo(fat, oxied, HCl Fb mix?) and recovering expected spice. He also feels he may have caught good spice in epson filter based on smell, color, and granual apperance. Got a solvent suggestion the disolves dmt FB and doesn't epson? Pics are goo melted before NP couls be poured off and of strange sheet of film that formed from NP warming in funnel while filtering. Has a filter full of dark brown slime and another the has White aperance(unbleached filter) and dmt smell. goo had been observed in glass pan and slides rapidly on surface but remains conatined mass instead of spread entire surface, can be almost clear, upon oven drying make a film

Sorry, your message is rather confusing.

• You did a 5kg extraction? 2g good white crystals?
• Did you follow a tek?
• Filtering? At what point in the process?
• HCl? Where from?

Even if some product oxidised I would expect upwards of 50g from 5kg. In my experience basified solution will sit for months without much issue. I have had good experience with white spirit, but I have heard that others have had issues, this may have something to do with your issues. Might be worth dissolving the gack in solvent and then salting it out then basifying and pulling with lighter naphtha.

Mind if I ask what you planned on doing with the results of your 5 kilo extraction?

Dose a few thousand of his closest friends?

I for one would love to be able to afford to do one, considering the recent instability of MHRB!

1st, There is no "I", I post for a friend of a friend.
2nd, I can think of a few reasons. Cost drops dramatically in quantity. Figure its best to go through custom as rarely as possible. Possible schedule or ban of source. Wanted to Work less often cause possession is class C and work is A. These are just my thoughts, stated for the sake of retoric. I would never ask him a question like that lest he think if LE, trying to rob him, or just too f*cking nosey. Imagine asking a question like that in an internet forum.....


• You did a 5kg extraction? 2g good white crystals?
so far and after his initial frustration he moved a portion to a glass jug as 5 gal. plastic was not suited to heat. Neither was cider jug glass bottom busted out. now yhere is two 5 gallon buckets he has been working with the smaller portion so it may be exhausted or who knows that why this post is here. Used at least 1 # of NaOH from home store. 100% but not lab grade
• Did you follow a tek?
STB. not much to it right. He would def acidify, strain, np defat if he could do it again. He does not now due to the volumes of vinegar and lye required but will if must. Actually next time alchy cake...
• Filtering? At what point in the process?
After the freeze failed to yeild and np was so dark. He added activated carbon from pet store coffe filter, charmin plug, cotton. also though wet np might be the prob so heated to reduce volume added dried epson and filtered
• HCl? Where from?
mury 23% blend of hcl and suf or whatever cleans the driveway

My friend thanks you for voice of reason.
He considered 20kg but the shipping logisitcs were too much to imagine plus who knows what attention that would get.

delafonze. The kind of responses you are getting is because as you may be well aware, we are very against selling of dmt. Not only that, but even if one doesnt sell but has a great quantity and gives away without properly and carefully introducing each and every single person that uses it and helping with integration (or having a very trustable friend that does it), it can also be a big liability. 20kgs = 150-400g dmt.. Can you possibly imagine smoking all that much, even with all your friends together, in a life time? Please do not sell or give dmt away carelessly, not only for your sake but for the psychological safety, as well as for the whole community which can be targeted if something bad happens and dmt gets on the news.

As for the technical question, put the oil in a drinking glass or some thiner taller container than what you have. Then warm up some solvent in a hot water bath (turn off fire before bringing solvent near of course), and recrystallize by redissolving the oil in warm solvent so that most of it is dissolved but maybe a dark goo stays on the bottom. You need around 30ml warm solvent per g of the oil, or just add slowly, just enough so that nearly all dissolves except some dark impurities. Then decant, and freeze again. Then check FAQ question 4.17 for best way to retrieve crystals without melting after freeze precip.

I do understand, having experience spice. It is not rec drg, if the user thinks so the substance will correct them. Best believe worker and writer have imagine the implications of being first whatever caught with "new" and "dangerous" substance and the example that would be made of them. I have also seen many good things killed by ignorant/prolific people. My friend believes this will be one of those and plans to get while getting is good. new pics first epson and ?spice? believes smaller darker is good, solvent to leave epson but disolve goods? then most recent filtration of freeze precip. Lots of goo that was dried the pressed and collected. working bucket has had most mineral spirit siphoned and vm&p added. He has xylene but will hold out jungle until primary is exhausted. I will read and transmit the FAQ to the worker and inform him to try to find rubber cement thinner, he has never found it around here. Please explain theory behind tall glass exposure to hydro carbon in travel? or just easier to seperate goo from good? What is goo? Fat, oxide??? He believes it is good. Boiled solvent to reduce volume, white smoke came off that smelled like dmt, so doe the sticky clay-like mass. Hate to waste. Considering acidifying in dh20, strong (xylene) np wash, rebase in vm&p, freeze again, pending better advice

Good u understand that care and respect issue

Solvent will not leave epson salt, I dont know why you would use epson salts in the first place. Its only useful to dry solvents (for example remove water from acetone if you need it dry) but in this case it matters not, naphtha and similar solvents are anyways not miscible with water in any significant amount (just think that in a normal extraction you are mixing it with water anyways!).

The idea with the tall glass is just because the goo collects on the bottom and then its easier to decant.

Goo = most definitely fats and other impurities, but considering there was n-oxide in the first place, there might be some there too together with impurities. What you could do is, say, redissolve to separate from goo, then add a bit more warm naphtha to pick up last rests of dmt from goo, then freeze both separately and do the FAQ trick. As for the goo, you could use a bit of xylene to redissolve it all, then salt out the xylene with FASW/FASA if you have fumaric acid or just vinegar. Then reconvert the vinegar by evaporating it till its nearly dry, making paste with sodium carb, finish drying, breaking up in powder, pulling with (dry) IPA or acetone or ethanol, and evaporating. This will yield you the goo/oxide/whatever, maybe a bit cleaner than it was after that recrystallization process. Just keep it separate from the other hopefully crystallized clean stuff. This way you get every little bit of active you had, and yet you can maintain purity in most of it.

Good luck

In Legal Repercussions for "Manufacturing DMT for Personal you wrote :



So the purpose of this 5KG extraction is quite clear to me and you should be banned from this forum.

This sounds pretty bad.

delafonze19, would you mind elaborating this and the big amount you are trying to extract right now?


Kind regards,

The Traveler

hhhmmm.. bold accusations with little evidence to support it. I come for help and get told I should be banned? I ain't even been one to overstay my welcome and can find the door myself. If I needed guilt and and elitist attitude I could have gone to church. Guess I misposted to the motivations subjective variance in definition of commercial production section. A sincere thanks to endless for offering insight to problem at hands and reason for posting. I find it odd I must keep mentioning that I post for a more paranoid person and rightfully so as he engages in criminal activity. Delafonze19 has a family and long standing recovery from MA dependence and it too scared of LE to risk an escalated repeat offender sentence. However I do miss the chemistry aspects of the procedure and have more knowledge than the average tek reader so prove to be a good ally for this other person who I think deserves to be successful and safe in his endeavors rather than guess and check or telephone pass the misinformation available from random users who saw something once. I believe my past post and most recent one both agree that if one must work to use discretion in respect to the nature of the substance as well as not ruining it for everyone else. Thats just my 2-bit self analysis of my own intentions and state of affairs take it with a grain of salt as all parties and events are fictitious and a general waste of time and bandwidth that should be reserved for day traders and people who don't have the extra 20 bucks for five times the volume.
response to xtraction questions

Solvent will not leave epson salt, I dont know why you would use epson salts in the first place. Its only useful to dry solvents (for example remove water from acetone if you need it dry) but in this case it matters not, naphtha and similar solvents are anyways not miscible with water in any significant amount (just think that in a normal extraction you are mixing it with water anyways!)

the intended purpose of epson was to dry the NP as water vapor and condensation have resulted in failed freeze precip in the past, thought it best to keep NP as anhydrous as possible to isolate possible problems. He understands miscrebility but is also very certain that NP solevents do get "wet" by suspension after agitation and "wet" np can seriously impace any sucess. He was going to throw away filter conating use epson when smell and distincly differeant appearance alreted him to possible product. He wanted advice on solvent selection to disolve goods but epson salt was insoluable to seperate by filtration and freeze or vap salvaged good back rather than waste. I downloaded a .pf merk manaul and will have him determine on his own He also obtained 50' of 99.4% zinc from his roof (damn fungus). He plans on disolving this in afore mentioned driveway cleaner under a hood or other safety device to avoid toxic/explosive fumes. 24hrs later filter to remove solids. dilute the solution with twice its volume of dh20 and add magnesium from tinder kit. after reaction remove magnesium and filter retain solid masss and desicate. At this point he will mix with stock pile of unused match heads retained from historic post referenced above then throw at problamatic np jar in freezer. Thats a joke don't make explosives either. anyway this powder will be used to oxide reduce something better blah results will be posted to the collective and other sites devoted to clandestine chemistry and dmt extraction, Thought we were all on the same team that felt similar to an interogation...

in an unrelated dream by a different screen name on laptop running bt4r2 using neighbors wep enccrypted wifi this other guy had the same issue in his mason jar and 100g mhrb stb xtraction. He got help minus scutiny

Because this forum doesn't endorse certain things and this forum isn't here to help set up dmt-manufacturing lab in a larger scale than personal.
Sorry if some of us was dubious enough to ask questions, about your sketchy attitude and stories. Now the problem is you don't seem like reassuring us at all with your defensive attitude.
I for one wouldn't help you with your extractions problem BECAUSE I have strong doubt of your intentions with this n,n.

Dear member, please remember: No discussion is allowed about selling drugs, buying drugs, procuring drugs, prices of drugs, trading drugs and trafficking of drugs. This includes all isolated psychedelic compounds and RCs (Research Chemicals), whether they are legal or not.

Also think about the following: Watch your language - Communication is comprised of not only the explicit but also the implicit messages, which are transmited through choice of words and general tone of speech. We do not want curse words and immature slangs in the nexus! Please use language in a dignified manner.

See the Attitude page for more information.

As for the accusations, you are right people should not straight accuse but rather ask questions and try to probe before. I guess though you must also understand where people are coming from so that you dont get personally offended. We are all trying to keep the use of this molecule as respectful and careful as possible, so if someone who has confessed to have been busted for meth manufacture asks for help on a multiple-kg extraction, dont you think its reasonable that people would at least suspect something? Now sure you can argue that, given the suspicion, people can ask/communicate differently without straight away jumping, but if you want people to 'cut you some slack', then also do the same for them, understanding why they responded in such way. In the end, all we want is that people have information and are respectful and dont sell or indiscriminately give away and cause problems to themselves, others and the community.

The intentions are good here, but constructive criticism on how to get to the objectives of getting the message across in a better way, is always welcome. If we got off on the wrong foot due to misunderstandings and miscommunication, it can always be fixed and make the paths align again. But please be very aware that if from your (or anybody's) side, there are less-than-honorable intentions, and profit or reckless (even if free) distribution of DMT is involved, then the paths will certainly not align and there is no place for this kind of people or actions in this community, we are openly against it as the attitude page well says.

As for the magnesium sulfate, there is no need at all to dry non polars. As I said, they will not mix with water, it just doesnt happen in any significant quantity, they layers will separate, remember they are non-polars. If during separation you got some basified liquid across, just do a sodium carb wash. Freeze precipitation will not be screwed by droplets of water that might have gotten there through condensation or otherwise, you must have done something else wrong when it failed. If there is water in the freeze container, all that will happen is it will form some ice, that later will melt and will NOT carry any of the alkaloids with it because freebase is not soluble in water. So if you filter your alkaloids dry, as the ice melt it will be filtered away, or if you just let your container stand, the ice will also melt and will eventually dry, and the crystals will be unaffected by it. What exactly went wrong in your freeze precip? Was it melting crystal issue? and if so, just do that trick from the FAQ I told you about and it will prevent that from happening.

Regarding the zinc and oxide reduction, you could do that after recrystallizing with naphtha, then redissolve the remaining goo in acidified water and mix well with zinc for a couple of hours, then filter, re-base, re-extract, maybe you get some more crystals that way. In publications around the zinc reduction is done with HCl solution, im not sure if vinegar solution will work.

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