Is the United States of America really comming to This?


How very sad and pitiful the general population has become to allow the government to commit such attrocities on people's personal liberties

If you find this interesting and already don't, then I recommend watching more Adam Kokesh on Adam Vs The Man, new episodes frequently uploaded on Youtube. I was recently turned on to this by a close friend and have just watched the first episode so I thought I'd share it here incase anyone else appreciates this uncensored out-speak against the government's oppression of liberties, liberties that all sentient beings deserve. I believe it may intrigue the general interest of this community. We are blessed to live in the age of internet, a medium which grants us easy access to filtering through the Government's propaganda; that is the Mainstream media.

Also I must add I'm thankful for people like Adam Kokesh for taking a stand against this kind of ridiculousness and obsurdity that the Government tries to call Law.

It's quite amazing once you start going down the rabbit hole, discovering all about the powers that be and how they really run the world. Spirituality is the best thing you can have in this life, yet spiritualists are frowned upon and treated like crazy peoples. I believe this is not coincidental, that is, the tendencies and traditions of the western world are intentionally placed there by the superpowers of the world to keep everyone in line and keep the economic system running.

Ever noticed how truly spiritual people tend to live off the grid? Buddhist monks etc, living off the land. They don't want anything to do with it.

It won't last long though, the system will collapse very soon.

It's good to learn about all the conspiracies and everything, but instead of fixing your eyes on the problem, make sure you also shift your guage to an appropriate solution, or you find yourself feeling all depressed and hopeless after a little while

Just to let you know, we do discourage discussion of conspiracy theories because of the negative feedback loops they create... so do be careful with the direction of this thread. It is fact that a lot of gross abuses of authority happen and have happened for millenia all over the world. It can be disconcerting to see it so close to home, especially if you were raised to believe your world was, well, "free" of that or something.

But that being said, I have to absolutely agree with the most important point made here:



There is a lot of evil and cruelty in the world. They say in Kali Yuga (the dark age), kindness travels fastest. Start with weeding all of the brutality of your life... be the future you want to see.

Well I cerntainly don't want to encourage such discussion.

The only direction I'd like to see this thread go is the discourage oppression of liberties clearly spelled out by my native country's constitution.(Anyone else is more welcome to support the liberties spelled out by their native country as well.) And hopefully we can all give advice and support to bringing about non-violent change!

I'd also like to point out that if certain undeniable liberties weren't already being suppressed, it's quite possible this site may not exist, for we would have no reason to meet here in secracy to discuss doing what we like to do best!

You can dance if you want to. You can leave your pants behind. Just make sure your underpants are clearly defined as "decent."

Freedom is NEVER free. It will never be handed to you on a plate. What few rights remain will be taken away under the auspises of "security, authority and organization," before you know it. If you are not willing to risk things from banning to firing to imprisonment to death, you are not a fighter for freedom.

I don't know about the stuff the OP posted, but this is NOT CT it is fact. Mods making threats around this is deliciously ironic.

Americans, check it out: http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf

If we are not willing to risk these things, in absolutely no time at all no one will even have a memory of the freedoms so many of us (in particular in America) would like to think are free.

Kokesh is carrying on one of the finest traditions in American activism: Just like Abbie Hoffman, be really zany in front of the pigs to try and expose "the violence inherent in the system."

Awesome.

this is not what america is comming to, this is what america came to long ago.

I will stop there because half the things I have to say will probabily need to be deleted becasue they definatily will qualify as "conspiracy theory".

Many of us sad and pitiful people work every day to make this county (and ourselves) a better place. Isolated situations like the one you present are not representative of the whole. Our situation is much more complicated with MANY people working towards MANY goals. Also, there are positive contributions from this country like the computer, the Internet, GPS, etc. None would be here in its current form without US government funding of defense projects.

EDIT: BTW, the real scary stuff comes from things like the Patriot Act, Domestic Security Enhancement Act, Electronic Communications Privacy Act, etc. Here's an example of some real freedoms vanishing:

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I have to agree 100% I suppose I've only realized this recently and how much worse things seem to be getting.




When I say "sad and pitiful people" I'm more intent on focusing on people who seem to just stand by and allow government to pass such obsurd laws's without even trying to vote against it. It seems many people of this younger generation seem to be under educated in the right's they have/had and don't seem to have any motivation to do anything about it. From my experiences people seem to have the impression that their opinion or vote doesn't matter and they believe it's the governments responsibility to take care of things. This kind of attitude is why the country has gotten in to such a poor state as it is now.

Also I agree many great contributions have been brought to us through funding for government defence. However that is one of the only government programs that should be funded by the tax payers. Most other programs like the DEA and TSA are unconstitutional. And yes things like the Patriot Act, Domestic Security Enhancement Act, Electronic Communications Privacy Act, etc. are very scary indeed

Exactly.

Apathy is not a valid reason not to vote. Thinking your vote doesn't count is not a valid reason not to vote. I find it absurd to hear people complain about the US, then make arguments refusing to vote or participate in changing the very thing they complain about!

I'd also like to bring attention to your comment:


I'm watching people all around me jump to Google+ after finding Facebook and other sites dull. This at a time when I'm seriously considering deleting every trace of social networking from my computer. The amount of information the younger generation is COMFORTABLE giving away is frightening. The younger generation is WILLINGLY giving away rights and privacy.

People see innovation - I see one big project to profile YOU.

Agreed!

But here's the kicker...what if you find your desire to vote paralyzed by the fact that both candidates are business candidates who propose somewhat different, but equally terrifying legislation/directions...is write-in really an option?

I ask because this is something I've been struggling with for the past 1.5-2 years and I still don't know what to do...is it really "ok" to vote for the lesser of two evils? Is that justifiable? I feel like everyone who wants to comment on the political state of affairs has to participate in elections; it's your admission ticket, so to speak...but what do you do when you know the game's rigged from the start? D'you play solely out of some tragicomic hope?

I don't know that there are answers to this, especially when the "better" option (in the case of Obama) pushes for things like the exclusion of Bagram AFB and Guantanamo from US domain (aka laws against torture)

wHILST I understand that Americans take their politics and voting to heart, us British know what a total and complete waste of time it is in England. All our Politicians are complete rubbish, they say this and that , and then don't deliver. They agree with the plans OF THE USA to send troops to foreign lands, even though we don't want them to...

-Politics bans true freedom such as ones freedom to use entheogens to explore ones mind, and provides us with their "false freedoms and ideologies from a non psychadelic and working life philosophy- and for this reason- i hate politics.

For a long time my desire to vote was paralyzed for the above mentioned. I also felt like I was voting for the "Lesser of two evils" in the 2008 presidential election. But now I've found that hope in my recent discoverey of senator Ron Paul who seems to be the only politician legitamately standing up for the liberties of the American people and trying to limit the federal government by restoring the constitution.

But I say don't take my word for it. I encourage U.S. members who read this to do their own research on Ron Paul and if you like what he has to say then please help spread the word and get votes the 2012 presidential election. It is my belief that Ron Paul is our best hope for positive change.

Here is a great documentary about his 2008 campaign and what he stands for. It's a great place to start if you don't already know about him and/or are interested in learning more.

For Liberty: How the Ron Paul Revolution Watered the WitherTree of Liberty

Since I've learned about this canidate I've been inspired to learn more about the constitution and have been studying up on econimics and other things related to what's going on in the U.S.

That's actually an accurrate description for most U.S. politicians as well.

This is precisely what I alluded to when I said that we only have the option of "business candidates"

As to Ron Paul...we've pretty much exhausted that discussion...the man can't deliver on a number of his promises, thus he's a liar, thus he's no better than any other politician...if you do a search on Ron Paul through the Nexus search engine, you can find those threads...his empty promises have pretty much been talked to death and he has been found sorely lacking, imo.

I'm sad to say, this is correct.

Let me be clear - I SUPPORT Ron Paul's ideas and would like nothing more than to see his vision of the US come true. HOWEVER, that is a separate issue from DOES HE (the President) HAVE THE POWER to actually fulfill these promises (e.g., abolish the Federal Reserve). Certain powers were given to the Presidency and certain power WERE NOT - for very clear and good reasons.

I cannot support a candidate who so clearly promises things he can never fulfill (unless he were to re-author the Constitution).


I don't think there's really a good answer here. While I'm disappointed with Obama, I'd rather he be in power than McCain/Palin. I'd rather McCain/Palin than some neocon evangelist. Isn't the very nature of politics synonymous with the lesser of two evils?

Well I will indeed look into previous threads.

But here I see you two seem to be displaying the same sort of attidude I've alluded to before. Obviously one man doesn't have the power to change things (That's not how the constition was designed to work) or bring down an entity such as the Federal Reserve. But that doesn't make him a liar. We can't have that kind of attitude if we want real change to occur. Ron Paul isn't simply gonna bring about these changes most of us would like to see. We can't depend on one man to help us change things just like we can't depend on the government to take care of us. By the constitution that was laid out before us, the power to change and govern is supposed to rely on the people a republic, not one man or a small group of select individuals. I don't know about you but I'm certainly not expecting Ron Paul to change everything for us or for the changes that he stands for to come about during his presidency (If he were elected). However, I see the great potential he has to lead and motivate the people to work up to these changes. This country wasn't created by a founding father, we call the great men who created this country the founding father's. It's to this notion that I suggest "we" people must start taking active roles in our communitties and help bring about change by informing and leading people to take actions towards preserving their liberties. In a time long past the founding father's of the United States of America it is now a time we must follow in their foot steps and ourselves must become father's for the sake of our children.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that one Ron Paul or any other politician or organization for that matter, can't ever be looked to as a means of instant change. We should however try to see it as a steping stone in the right direction.

Ah I do like this quote by the way, thank you for sharing, and of topic I would like to say I enjoy the colorful addition to your avatar