That's right. It happens here far too often. A close minded view of open mindedness being forced upon readers!

Don't get me wrong, there is lots of useful information here. One must be weary of the norm of the Nexus attitude.

Care to cite an example? Like this its hard to consider it a constructive criticism, seems more like emotional venting...

What is the point of your post? Do you want your post to help people change, and if so, in what way do you think people will change after reading this? Dont you think expanding your thoughts could help making it more constructive?

What do you mean with "one must be wary of the norm of nexus attitude" ? Do you not agree with our stated attitude, and if not, what points do you think should be included or improved? Or do you not feel that they are followed all the time, and if not, can you help point where ?

Do you feel like people are being one-sided and are not considering the potential dangers of psychedelics? If so, what dangers do you feel are being ignored? Can you give examples of posts where this happens? Why dont you post in the relevant threads where this happens, or send a pm to the people so that they can get feedback?

Also, did you check our health and safety section? I think we try to be pretty reasonable there too, but if you feel there is anything missing or something isnt right, feel free to suggest changes.

I'm surprised that you find that there is a 'norm' of attitude here on the Nexus. Of course people here support ethnobotanical exploration, but other than that I find there to be a broad variety of views and 'norms.'

There are even views here against using ethnobotanicals (more so psychedelics).

It would be nice if the OP expanded on his point a bit. Vague statements don't help anyone.

Yeah..can you elaborate, dream_denizen? And are your problems with "the nexus attitude" the reason why you haven't posted since february?

"I'm surprised that you find that there is a 'norm' of attitude here on the Nexus. Of course people here support ethnobotanical exploration, but other than that I find there to be a broad variety of views and 'norms.'"

While there is a TON of different views/beliefs/ideologies/reality-tunnels/ect on the nexus in general i think it's pretty clear (especially after spending time on other psychedelic forums) that the average tone or modus operandi among peers here is unique and has cultivated more of a family atmosphere of respect and constructiveness..imo

no i am not weary of the norms of the nexus attitude , the attitude helps new members realize the nature of the place and has proven to be very constructive to all those believe in the attitude , rather than just reading the page and clicking the i accept button

this attitude is most important and has helped in shaping the community very positively , without this attitude there would be nothing , infact the attitude is the glue that holds the community together , every community has a certain norms of attitude , my house has certain norms too and so does my local community where i live , without these norms , there can be no community as a community is a group of people who come together and share because they have something in common and what they have in common is this attitude , which for the nexus has been mentioned clearly on the attitude page , i joined the community because i share this attitude ,

a community is a group of likeminded people not unlikeminded people , sure this community is extremely diverse in that respect as most members don't really agree on most things , so i guess the attitude here is much better than anywhere else as we are a community of unlike-minded people who still have something in common and that is this attitude

Do any of these replies have substance? This is my problem. I feel like it'd be wise to estrange from the norm BECAUSE of what brings us together here in the Nexus. I find too many generalities that explain nothing. Let's get to the bottom of this. Psychedelics (entheogens, particularly) aid us in discovering the immaterial of things real. Let's make sense of it rationally. I feel there is a very selfish and ambiguous outlook among much of this community that makes it difficult for communication. Much of which is the least of my worries as a psychedelic user. But there is something great that can be explored here and I feel it'd be a shame to be ignored.

I guess I'd like to see more people taking action on their beliefs.

dream_denzien, I am still confused, and find you post ambiguous, which is ironic because you say that part of your problem is people using too many generalities to explain nothing. I feel you have done just that with both of your posts. I don't say this to be a douche, I want to know what peoples beefs are lately.



I agree. I think.... if I am interpreting that statement the same way you are. At least, I agree psychedelics have that sort of potential.



What selfish outlook?



What is this something great, to which you refer?

[quote=dream_denizen} I guess I'd like to see more people taking action on their beliefs.[/quote]

What kind of action? And on what beliefs?

Did the OP have much substance? I mean, you really didn't give us much to work with.


What do you mean by "[T]oo many generalities that explain nothing"? Like what?


Please, explain to me rationally what 'real' is again? I've heard many try yet none succeed.


Can you please give specific examples? You can use the "quote" and "search" features up at the top to help. This will aid us in getting to the bottom of these accusations against the community.

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

Communicate dream_denizen, and those around will communicate with you. It should be as clear to you as to everyone else: you are getting vague answers because you are being exceptionally vague. Pretty much every post here is an appeal to you to elaborate, but thus far you have replied either in silence or in an almost equally vague post. People here are spending time to try and understand your beef, but you are providing very little substance, and if you continue, I predict people will lose interest, stop posting, and you will have proved yourself right (in your own mind).

Is this your goal? A self fulfilling prohecy? Or are you genuinely interested in contributing by isolating the problem you have intimated, so that we may all work positively to arrive at a solution?

If not, I am afraid your post seems a lot more like trolling than patrolling.

Please elaborate your beef(s).

JBArk

Yes Jbark, let's find a solution. I don't mind being specific, I just feel like many readers can't handle specific criticism. Everyone is so quick to be on the defense. So there's one specific that we see in THIS thread. What's with the protective attitude? Let your guard down for a second and see eye to eye here. We're slowly losing individuality. It's easy to conform to the attitude. I titled this thread Psychedelic Propaganda for a reason.

We find social cliques here. Not a problem at all, but with these cliques comes hierarchy. So now we're headed in a direction led by our most experienced Nexians. I'm sorry, but I will not dig into the archives to "prove" these specifics. It happens. If you don't believe this to be true then you're being arrogant.

Let's think as Amazonian shamans for a moment. Let's understand what is happening in the world through the use of hallucinogens and try to make sense of it. Practice! Let's collect data on Carlos Castaneda's apprenticeship and perform the tests ourselves to prove a few things about our beliefs. Let's urge each other to read McKenna, Decartes, Stephen Hawking. We all understand that psychedelics are helping us get somewhere in life. Let's now make this knowledge useful. Let's bring the collective mind there.

I dont understand what you want. You made a thread about how people are acting "wrong", and you were very generic. Then people asked for clarification, which you refused to give, and then when you do give one, you say we are being defensive in our answers? Can you please read again all the answers and see if you really think that?

What else do you expect, if not respectful inquisitive questions regarding the subject? Should we have ignored the thread, or what other answer do you feel would be better?

If you would expand on good examples of what you mean, we could try to reflect on our actions, see if there is possibility of improvement, etc. A lot of people here are willing to recognize their mistakes and develop themselves.

I have no problem with constructive criticism, in fact, I welcome it, and I think a lot of people and the community as a whole do too. But what I find unnecessary is when you make accusations without propper arguments, and also call people arrogant for not being of the same opinion as you. I suggest you please think about your own way of communicating in this community, considering a respectful evidence/argument based communication is a pillar of the Nexus as it explicitly says in our attitude page.

Lastly what do Amazonian shamans have to do with some supposed bad posts from members of the Nexus? Or Carlos Castaneda, etc? Are you saying that we shouldnt talk about some things in the Nexus and focus on discussing about those people instead? If so, what shouldnt we talk about?

Varied opinion is what we need! I don't think people are acting wrong according to the forum's standard and I believe that's the problem. How will we get anywhere if everyone agrees!? Start acting out. Hunter S. Thompson came within a few votes of becoming Sheriff of Aspen because he raised important questions that were taboo among the community. He was a wild man who took many, many undesirable actions and I love him for that. I'm not saying we need more Hunter Thompson's in this forum. We could use, however, people taking a stance in new positions.

I will be back later...

Umm. The original problem was lack of substance in the FIRST POST; and most of the responses were in fact addressing that issue.

Is anyone stopping you from noting propaganda statements when they occur? And noting the errors and the propaganda qualifications?

Perhaps starting a thread about specific ideas that you feel are "psychedelic propaganda" would provide more substance for discussion.

You obviously haven’t been reading some of the philosophy/religion/science threads that have come up lately. If you had, you’d see that members aren’t at all shy about expressing their own unique and controversial opinions.

First, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with people agreeing on things.

Second, where is it you want to..."get" when you write of "getting somewhere?"

Third, why don't YOU take a stance in a "new position" instead of vaguely whining about what others "should do?" There is no new stance in what you're presenting in this thread. It's just vague agitation against "things" generally.

Its not a matter of agreeing or not. In fact, we constantly disagree. Its a matter of being respectful while disagreeing. You can take new stances in anything you want, as long as you respect our attitude. That is the base of our community, and if you are here you have to accept it.

You can always argue respectfully why some or other part of the attitude page is wrong, or what should be added, and the community can change it if members see its reasonable. You can also use the annoucements and suggestions subforum to propose ideas for changes and all members can voice their opinion on it.

So im still waiting for specific arguments of things that can improve. For example you say bringing taboos to the surface can be productive. So which taboos do you feel would be productive to bring to the surface in the Nexus?

Let us imagine a man with no beliefs who is sitting in the corner observing and taking action on his beliefs he does not have, which is to say he is sitting there, observing...