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Why Prescription Ecstasy or LSD Could Happen Much Sooner Than You Think Options
 
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#1 Posted : 6/27/2011 11:31:00 PM

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Let's say an abuse-ridden childhood has left you with PTSD that sparks panic whenever you hear shouts, even on TV. Or let's say a bad accident has saddled you with crippling anxiety and chronic pain. Now let's say that you could ease -- or even cure -- these woes with prescription psiloscybin. Prescription ecstasy. Prescription LSD.

If a growing phalanx of scientists get their way, those prescriptions could be yours within 10 years. Research into the medical benefits of psychedelic drugs is booming. An April conference on the subject at Great Britain's University of Kent featured lectures on such topics as "Ketamine Psychotherapy" and "Ayahuasca in the Contemporary World."

Leading this wave is the Boston-based Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), whose executive director Rick Doblin spoke at that conference. MAPS researchers have spent 15 years conducting international clinical trials whose results indicate that LSD and psilocybin counteract depression and anxiety and are effective pain-management tools while MDMA (ecstasy) conquers fear. Just this month, the Israeli Ministry of Health approved a new MAPS study using MDMA to treat PTSD.

"Time is on our side," Doblin says. "The world is full of aging baby boomers who are looking forward to psychedelic retirement and psychedelic hospice.

"They had psychedelic experiences in their youth that were useful to them. They gave up the drugs for family and career. Now they're thinking back to those valuable experiences and they want to get re-engaged."

But this isn't about ex-hippies seeking free highs. Rather, it's about mainstreaming these drugs, which MAPS does "by focusing on medical uses, which in our culture is the most likely way to create new legal contexts, because there is a love affair with medicine in this culture. There's a constant interest in whatever's the latest from the scientific lab."

It's not about money. Costing nearly nothing to manufacture, "these aren't the kind of drugs that you need to take every day for the rest of your life." Instead, it's about using cutting-edge technology to prove what millions around the world have been saying for thousands of years: This stuff gets to your head.

As a teenager in the early 1970s, Doblin first learned that psychedelics were being used to enhance art, spirituality and psychology.

"Then it all got shut down."

Those damn hippie freaks.

"People using psychedelics had accidents and did stupid things and ended up dying or going nuts. A bunch of famous people had extremely idealistic views that weren't particularly practical and weren't particularly patient. Timothy Leary and his ilk were making exaggerated claims, saying that if you do psychedelics you're more enlightened than others; if you do psychedelics you're better than others. One of that era's biggest mistakes was Leary saying turn on, tune in, drop out."

Richard Nixon called Timothy Leary the most dangerous man in America. Hello, backlash. Hello, War on Drugs.

"The government came out with its own exaggerated claims, saying that if you took these drugs you'd have deformed babies and brain-cell death. We now know that it isn't true, but back then it launched this huge cultural clash. You might say society had a really bad trip."


read more @ http://www.alternet.org/...ch_sooner_than_you_think
 

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#2 Posted : 6/27/2011 11:43:13 PM

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#3 Posted : 6/28/2011 12:31:29 AM

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#4 Posted : 6/28/2011 12:55:55 AM

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If it goes like medical mj..... Ya know... BS prescription gets BS card that let's you buy PRIMO drugs.... I'm moving to whatever warm, friendly state has the cheepest cost of living.
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#5 Posted : 6/28/2011 3:26:57 AM

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This is good news..althought I wish people could just get over the whole "blame leary" thing..it is so old and cliche..times were different back then and what leary and others did was a good thing in the end. I would rather of had that than only elite groups of "intellectuals" etc having acceess to these things. Great things happened in the 60's and things did change for the better. I dont blame leary at all. I wish people would just accept it and move on. Think about what the 50's must have been like..imagine comming to age in the 60's with everything going on around you and then finding LSD..I think the 60's needed to happen the way they did and people should stop making the 60's counter culture out to be the scapegoat.

I am all for the legalization and application of psychedelics, and we so have to work with the system somewhat to get there..but no the point where we loose our dignity. the 60's was a great experiment in exercising personal freedom and I love Tim leary, Metzner, Albert and others for bringing this stuff to the public instead of hiding it away in some lab. I think this stuff went right where it needed to be at the time.

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#6 Posted : 6/28/2011 3:47:07 AM

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I fully believe Doblin's prediction for prescription psychedelics in the near future. hilariously ironic as it may be, the ageing baby boomer demographic is the key factor, and I think that generation's progressing into their winter years, and the tidal wave of psychic stress and spiritual anomie they will face after long lives of materialism and profligacy, will be the death knell for prohibition.

I really think we've seen the pendulum swing to it's utmost in both directions on this issue, from the degraded utopian excesses of the '60's to the horrific oppression of the '90's. I think the way this karma will work itself out is by our parents' generation finally finding balance with the psychedelic, and peaceably gifting it to their children before they die.
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#7 Posted : 6/28/2011 3:50:39 AM

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I think it really is only a matter of time, and perhaps a much shorter time frame than some might think. These substances are far more effective at treating depression, anxiety, and apparently even PTSD than their pharmaceutical counterparts. Nothing could cure, or even really alleviate my TRD (Treatment Resistant Depression) until I started to take psychedelics like psilocybe mushrooms, LSD, LSA seeds, and Salvia (oh and of course, DMT Smile) in a way that wasn't just, "Hey, let's get high and have a crazy trip"

MDMA also helped me really become more in tune with my feelings and accept some things about myself that I would most likely still be struggling with if I hadn't dosed repeatedly on it. I actually believe it did help me become a more loving and compassionate person, in the long run. The empathy and love that you feel while on this substance is so intense and if used in a constructive manner, is very rewarding and lends itself to great emotional growth.
 
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#8 Posted : 6/28/2011 8:41:26 AM

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speaking of...

http://www.reformconference.org/

it's expensive (340$ for non members), but probably interesting to see what is being done...
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#9 Posted : 6/28/2011 3:13:38 PM


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..I think the 60's needed to happen the way they did and people should stop making the 60's counter culture out to be the scapegoat.

Exactly.

I think the west needed a honeymoon period, then breakup, then slow courtship back into favor. The CIA did their dirty work, art and music transitioned into a new age, science and academia were stimulated (but cautious). Regardless of your take on Leary's message, he introduced psychedelics to many in the mainstream and I feel this is ultimately a good thing.

Now, the approach to psychedelics seems to have changed - in addition to more venues providing a space to experience these tools (raves and psy events come to mind). People who engage in psychedelics these days seem to understand you can't go around claiming your enlightenment, telling everyone to ditch college and take some acid. Psychedelics can augment life, but they can't replace it.

Like the articles says, we're still a few years away. But I see bubbling under the surface of our culture today this underground movement to re-introduce and re-integrate psychedelics to the west.

And I love it.
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#10 Posted : 6/28/2011 6:06:08 PM

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I really don’t like the trend towards “medicalizing” psychoactive drugs.

What’s wrong with using drugs to explore one’s consciousness without medical supervision? What’s wrong with recreational use? Why are substances considered legitimate only when they treat some condition or pathology?

If I want to go skydiving, I don’t have to find a medical reason to do so. I don’t need authorization and a prescription from a doctor. I can freely and openly proclaim that I want to do it “for the thrill of it”. If I want to study yoga or meditation in order to explore my consciousness, I don’t need approval from a physician, and I don’t have to justify the activities in terms of some physical or mental medical problem. If I want to drink a beer I don't have to claim that I'm drinking it to treat an anxiety disorder.

Why should it be any different for psychoactive drugs?
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I think the main thing behind the whole medicalization of these psychoactive drugs would be that it makes them one step closer in legality. At least they'd be taken more seriously. And if you still wanna use them recreationally, that's fine too, and I'm sure there will still be undergrounds for them. It will also provide the option to some who need it who never would have the courage or where-with-all to take it in the first place. For terminally ill patients who derive positive benefits from psychedelic therapy, the notion of going out and getting/making the stuff for themselves and whatnot is just not realistic.
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#12 Posted : 6/28/2011 9:43:27 PM

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#13 Posted : 6/28/2011 11:41:31 PM

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gibran2 wrote:
I really don’t like the trend towards “medicalizing” psychoactive drugs.

What’s wrong with using drugs to explore one’s consciousness without medical supervision? What’s wrong with recreational use? Why are substances considered legitimate only when they treat some condition or pathology?


I understand where you are coming from, but if the two options available are medicinal psychedelics or illegal psychedelics on the black market, the previous is the lesser of two evils. It may not be ideal but it is the first step towards getting society to accept these drugs as legitimate tools rather than recreational highs.
 
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#14 Posted : 6/29/2011 12:02:52 AM

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gibran2 wrote:
I really don’t like the trend towards “medicalizing” psychoactive drugs.

What’s wrong with using drugs to explore one’s consciousness without medical supervision? What’s wrong with recreational use? Why are substances considered legitimate only when they treat some condition or pathology?

If I want to go skydiving, I don’t have to find a medical reason to do so. I don’t need authorization and a prescription from a doctor. I can freely and openly proclaim that I want to do it “for the thrill of it”. If I want to study yoga or meditation in order to explore my consciousness, I don’t need approval from a physician, and I don’t have to justify the activities in terms of some physical or mental medical problem. If I want to drink a beer I don't have to claim that I'm drinking it to treat an anxiety disorder.

Why should it be any different for psychoactive drugs?


I agree...I dont like how we have to sort of dumb down the use of these things to only medical applications and have them legally available to certain people. This is why I dont fully agree with the way that Huxley wanted to go about things with psychedelics and why I like what leary and others did. I fully believe that these things are for ALL of humanity to use reguardless of medical conditions. If salvia for example became a mainstream medicine that was prescribed to people you can bet someone will come along and try to get the rights to using salvinorin alpha..and then push to schedule the plant itself so adverage people dont have access to it..and only those who pay for a doctor, who gets paid to write prescriptions that make those companies money will have access.

I am sorry if this sounds counter-intuative to what we want here, but that is reality. "legalization" for medical use does not necessarily mean more freedom for the adverage person. Not yet anyway. Complete decriminalization and legalization on all levels for all people is what we really want..
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actualfactual wrote:
gibran2 wrote:
I really don’t like the trend towards “medicalizing” psychoactive drugs.

What’s wrong with using drugs to explore one’s consciousness without medical supervision? What’s wrong with recreational use? Why are substances considered legitimate only when they treat some condition or pathology?


I understand where you are coming from, but if the two options available are medicinal psychedelics or illegal psychedelics on the black market, the previous is the lesser of two evils. It may not be ideal but it is the first step towards getting society to accept these drugs as legitimate tools rather than recreational highs.


I agree, to a degree. I am not so much against the black market at some might be though. I know the sale of drugs is not something we really discuss here so I wont go into detail, but there are some instances where I feel better about the black market sale of these things than the current alternative. Alot of people make money(and hard earned) off of cannabis for instance, at least here where I live in BC. Alot of these people do it because they believe in it and supply quality organic medicine for medicinal patients. The government has for years told us lies about cannabis and other medicines and demonized those who used them and made them available, risking they're lives for they believe in. Just because they now see a profit margin all of a sudden and make it legal does not mean they deserve to do so. It is complete hipocracy.

Synthetic cannabis pills are a perfect example of how the medical establishment abuses power. They make marinol legal at high prices for prescription patients..but they dont want patients growing they're own becasue they loose $$..now things have changed somewhat and some patients are allowed to grow..so that is good. At least things are looking up.

Now alot of what happens in the underground market I dont support at all anyway, like gang violence and murder..but if they want to seriousily legalize these things and start making money for themselves off of it, they sure as hell should be cleaning up the mess they made before they decided to change they're minds and do the exact same thing other people were doing long before them and suffered becasue of it.

I am fine with these things being sold by the government..that is not my issue. My issue is when the ONLY way to aquire these things is by going through them..when for years they flat out lied to our faces about these things and treated us like shit.

I dont trust big pharma's interest in psychedelics. I question they're motives and what the real outcome may be.
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#16 Posted : 6/29/2011 1:03:46 AM

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Let’s not forget that making certain drugs available by prescription is not the same as legalizing them. Even now, being in possession of prescribed drugs obtained without a valid prescription is a crime (I think it’s a felony in the US). So all that would really change is the reason they throw you in jail. In a world where DMT is a prescription drug, extracting DMT would no doubt be just as illegal as it is today.

Medicalizing safe, non-addictive psychoactive drugs is not a move in the right direction. I’m not saying that cancer patients and others with legitimate uses shouldn’t have them available – they should, but so should everyone else who wants to use them in a safe and responsible manner. Regulation of these substances would be fine, but they shouldn’t be available only by prescription.

There are obviously legitimate yet non-medical uses for these substances.
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I fully agree that psychedelics use should be permissible for its own sake. I don't even agree with using the word 'entheogen' or any other term rigged with any degree of ideological baggage. The reasons I choose to use psychedelic compounds is nobody's business but my own. It is enough to state that I find responsible usage of psychedelic compounds personally edifying and of no risk to myself or others; on this score alone they should be fully legal to all sane, law-abiding adults.

In a rational world this argument would end the drug war. But this isn't a rational world, and that argument would, and has, utterly failed in the popular arena: it's simply too easy to project bogeymen into it's blank spaces. "Why won't these people declare why they're using these drugs?! It's because they're being brainwashed by the Illuminati demon-elves!" etc. etc. etc.

Political battles are won by compromise. There's no escaping it. At this point I'll nail my colours to the mast of any ship that even accidentally drifts towards legalisation. If all that can be achieved today is to get psychedelics into the reach of a few terminal cancer patients, then that's where the fight lies. Maybe the next day it'll be legalised for a larger group of not-so-terminal patients. And after that, we can make the powerful argument that they should be legal for anyone who's simply afraid of dying. And then we've won. That's how advocacy is done.
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yeah, look like about morphine, it is demonized unless supervised.
okay it's not a psychedelic but it migth be same. If it's not under supervison it's seen as spoiled medecine, and abusive tendance.
but what's best ? I dunno really.
It's sure it's less easy than alcohol an experience than a full tryptamine journey.
But it's always on cover of "giving safety" that they illegalize and demonize such plants/substance known and practiced proactively by Mankind for thousands years.
We need to get responsibalized.
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Modern day Western society is all about portraying Man or Woman in some sort of highly technical, overcomplicated sort of way. Yet we are still animals with a spiritual side that needs nurturing, and we cannot live well and prosper properly without a healthy balanced lifestyle that features nature.

-Yes, it would be great for LSD, PSILOCYBIN, MDMA, KETAMINE,ETC to be allowed to be used to help us deal with the ills of living out of context of nature. And hell, it should be our birthright shouldn't it!. After all, we didn't ask to be born into this highly stressed modern day world based on consumerism madness, and politically charged spoilt brats?Wink
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christian wrote:
...and politically charged spoilt brats?Wink

I hope this isn't aimed at anyone here after your apology the other day. That would be most inappropriate.
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