For the esoterics of war read Julius Evola. But never ever believe in what he believes!

Best wishes to all of those in Spain. Keep us posted. I'm always curious about how these things develop once they move off the street.

So the protests have oficially left the squares during the day. The meetings are being organized in cells in each neighborhood, and there is an attempt to coordinate, also through the internet.

A few days ago there was one protest in front of the parliament, where some people threw stuff and acted agressively. The movement has as a whole condemned those actions from isolated individuals. There was some accusations that undercover police have sparked some of the violence. In any case it seems the typical immature agressive "anti-system" used the opportunity to release some of their energy. So the media started painting a picture as if the movement was going down the drain, broken down, etc. But today a huge protest was organized, with 100,000 (!!!) people, bigger then ever, and totally peaceful. There were people amongst protesters who were in charge of preventing any violent actions. Was amazing numbers of people there, it seems there are indeed big numbers of people wanting change.

In the meanwhile, also one thing that I find that has been very interesting is loads of people gathering to block the entrance to the house when police is called to evict people who couldnt pay their mortgage (often old people, widows, people who got jobless because of crisis, families who would have nowhere to go, etc). They have already gotten the bank to renegotiate with some of the people, and prevented/delayed the eviction of dozens of others too.

I think this whole movement will have a positive long term impact, lets see, I hope so at least.

This whole thing has been so extraordinarily inspiring, and I still find it amazing that, if I hadn't been reading about it here on the Nexus, I wouldn't have heard anyrhing about it!

The most astonishing things about it are that it has kept its momentum so long, and that some sort of benign and enlightened leadership seems to have emerged.

Endlessness - do you have any understanding of how the leadership of it grew into being? It would be a very interesting story, and a model for similar events elsewhere in the future.

I think you misunderstood me...after they win, if they win, there will need to be order. This means certain people will be in charge of certain things; i.e they will have power (to varying degrees, in varying domains). This is true of any revolution throughout history, no need to get your hackles up over it, it's simply how things go in societies, there are power structures. They differ from society to society, but you're lying to yourself if you think they're not there.

As to what I'm doing...I'm currently working with several activist organizations and working on getting my own little project off the ground. Will it change things? Who knows...odds are it won't, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna give it a shot. I don't really understand why you're so standoffish in your reply...I'm working to the best of my abilities with people I know to affect change around me; that's all I can do. My comments on this and other threads stem from a love of history and politics and are mostly thoughts based on US civil/social movements and Western Hemisphere revolutions throughout the past century.

Looks like you guys got a little bit of coverage from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13833093

Endlessness

Thank you ever so much for keeping us updated, it is my greatest hope too that this movement will have a lasting and positive impact...


Much Peace and Understanding

I would also like to understand how the leadership is achieving all of this. People being sick of the government is an easy motivator for people to get out, but the totality of nonviolence is absolutely awe inspiring. The Spanish people seem so eager to be a community. For some reason I'm pessimistic about that sense of community springing up in the states, but maybe I will be proved wrong soon.

It would be great to see things such as this start to organize in the states. I would love to be a part of this worldwide revolution.

I read somewhere that the major problem with the hippie movement was the drug usage getting out of hand. I love seeing the people of Spain embracing the ideals of that movement, reinventing the way they interact with their community, and bringing change in such an intelligent and thought provoking way.

Much love to you guys!

Looks like another round of clashes between police and protesters in Madrid:



Endlessness (or anyone else for that matter), I'm wondering if you could give some perspective here about the protests. I know you've said most of them have been peaceful, though I'm curious about something slightly unrelated. Do the protesters have any plans that they're putting forward? Not that I don't find protest for the sake of awareness useful, but I haven't heard much from either the Spanish or the Greek about what system they would like to see in place of the current one. Do you happen to have any information on alternative forms of governance that part of the opposition is putting forward? Is this conversation even taking place there?

Yeah there are definitely many plans that have been put forward, some of them already starting to put in practice. The whole movement sparked a huge social debate about all sorts of reforms in voting laws, in the laws regarding mortgage debts, political transparency, etc.. Every week each neighbourhood has assamblees where proposals are made, and then neighbourhoods coordinate with one another. Then sometimes there are gatherings for everybody, and also there is coordination with other groups around Spain. There is a lot of work being done over the internet too, which is a tool we have on our side nowadays.

Also it seems this has helped sparking similar peaceful protests in other parts of the world, I hear in greece, israel, other places.

It's a great thing

As for the clashes in madrid, I wasnt there but I hear again police exceeded themselves with violence unnecessarily, and some people responded with pushing around but overall a peaceful response. It was totally unnecessary action because it was all to remove the few people that remained in the square, but then now people are back again. Anyways the movement already decided not to build structures/tents in the square but just have day activities and things of the sort, use it as a political gathering point.

The government is affraid because the pope is coming soon.. Also in general they see their easy days are over, now people have overcome the inertia and everybody feels ready to demand what we really deserve! Politicians will have to give up many of their benefits, one way or another, sooner or later but more sooner than later

Beautiful- i hope the banking system will be destroyed soon - so we can finally create a new value system.

Do you happen to have links to any websites or PDFs or something that is going around with details of what the plan would be going forward? Supposing the body politik is removed, what takes its place? I can't read Spanish so I don't know if these resources exist in English. I'm particularly interested because of Spain's history of social reorganization and their attempt to set up a decentralized anarchist society in the 1930's. Are people there referencing these previous attempts at system change? I support the ideology of the movement, but the devil is always in the details so I'm curious how this is being addressed.