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Quote: The 2011 FBI Domestic Surveillance Manual expands the feds' spying power and will turn 14,000 FBI agents into a free-for-all dumpster diving brigade. Increased FBI snooping rights will require neither probable cause nor the need to be suspected of actual wrongdoing before scrutinizing your life. Other changes to the FBI's freedom to spy include no more paperwork for formal inquiry fishing expeditions as it's considered "too cumbersome" for the feds.
You might think you are interesting, but are you a person of interest? Let's hope not, since the 2011 edition of the FBI's Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide invites agents to take up dumpster diving, rummaging full-throttle through your trash while snooping in your life. Charlie Savage of The New York Times reported the new manual gives "significant new powers" to FBI agents, including the right "to search databases, go through household trash or use surveillance teams to scrutinize the lives of people who have attracted their attention." Yeppers, that's right, meaning anyone could be targeted as opposed to people suspected of any actual crime. The idea of probable cause and the Fourth Amendment is again being stomped. In fact, FBI general counsel Valerie E. Caproni "rejected arguments that the FBI should focus only on investigations that begin with a firm reason for suspecting wrongdoing."
The ACLU said of these new expanded spying powers, that the FBI is "lowering its already rock bottom standards for surveillance soon." But FBI's Caproni basically called this minor tweaks instead of major revisions to the domestic surveillance manual. There will no longer be a requirement to make records when searching commercial or law enforcement databases for the scoop-snoop on people, since paperwork for formal inquiry fishing expeditions is considered "too cumbersome" for the feds. No longer will there be a rule saying a target need be suspected of wrongdoing first before spying on them. More changes include relaxing a "restriction on administering lie-detector tests" and infiltrating groups by allowing agents to attend "five meetings of a group before those rules would apply." Oh, and if you are blogger, you are only considered a legitimate member of the news media if your blog is "prominent" to qualify for "extra protection" or for the investigation to require "extra supervision."
When the FBI pulled the teeth out of the Carnivore Program, renaming it DCS1000 (digital collection system), did it make it a kinder, gentler snooping system? No. Instead the domestic spying took on full-pipe surveillance capabilities. By 2007, Paul Ohm, a former Justice Department's Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section trial lawyer, called it the "vacuum cleaner approach" in which FBI agents hoovered up "the activities of thousands of Internet users at a time into massive databases, according to current and former officials. That database can subsequently be queried for names, e-mail addresses or keywords."
The 2008 version of the FBI operations manual alarmed privacy advocates due to additional leeway to make "assessments" which permitted agents to infiltrate organizations, and to follow and photograph targets in public. That's somewhat ironic since photography is often treated like a crime and photographers are frequently treated like terrorists. At that time, FBI's Caproni said, "The FBI has been told that we need to determine who poses a threat to the national security - not simply to investigate persons who have come onto our radar screen." DarkGovernment also quoted Caproni as saying, "I don't like to think of us as a spy agency because that makes me really nervous. We don't want to live in an environment where people in the United States think the government is spying on them. That's an oppressive environment to live in and we don't want to live that way."
Hello?
But now, regarding the expansion of FBI spying powers, Caproni told the Times that the bureau "had carefully weighed the risks and the benefits of each change." No surprise here that the additional loss of Americans' privacy and civil liberties came out on the losing end.
Although we've seen plenty of examples of FBI surveillance abuse, by all means, in 2011 let's turn 14,000 FBI agents into a free-for-all dumpster diving brigade. What's found in your trash or via a lie detector test might be used to blackmail you into being a snitch for the feds. Caproni ominously added, "information gathered that way could also be useful for other reasons." It's almost as if the FBI has officially authorized fed gangs to stalk you if you snag their attention for any reason whatsoever. There are other modifications in the FBI manual as well, but be assured you will be hearing more from me when the privacy-shredding guidelines become public. Meanwhile I highly suggest you click on "notes" and see for yourself some of the last changes to the FBI's surveillance power.
source @ http://www.networkworld....rigade-coming-soon-snoop
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Indeed, they are shitting all over the fourth amendment.
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Practice safe garbage: get a shredder, keep your trashcans behind a 6' locked gate. WHOA!
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It's unfortunate, but far beyond surprising. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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This is horrendous. I'm so glad I don't live in the states! "Language is a cracked kettle on which we beat out tunes for bears to dance to, while all the time we long to move the stars to pity." - Flaubert
I do not engage in or condone illegal activities. Most of what I write is on behalf of people I've bumped into, usually several years ago and in countries where the things I mention are legal.
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That's bullshit but its gonna keep getting worse. Black then white are all I see in my infancy. Red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me, lets me see. There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these, infinite possibilities. As below so above and beyond I imagine, drawn outside the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
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The American dream has turned into a hell on earth. Looks like youre all gonna have to use your rubbish bins as a toilet from now on!! "Eat your vegetables and do as you're told, or you won't be going to the funfair!"
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i like christians idea
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oh jeez, more reason for people to litter.
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Time to throw suspicious stuff in the garbage of all who work for the FBI then.  Now, what will we dump in their garbage? Kind regards, The Traveler
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MalargueZiggy wrote:This is horrendous. I'm so glad I don't live in the states! They have the right to spy on people in many other countries that have signed some vague 'right-to-spy' treaty with america.
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Does this include the right, or inspire the prerogative, to sift through people's compost, too? Some things will come easy, some will be a test
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I suppose I'll have to start shitting in my garbage cans now....
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actualfactual wrote:Indeed, they are shitting all over the fourth amendment. and to think.. I recently saw a bumper sticker that read "thank a Vet for defending your freedom" "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Quote:Caproni said, "The FBI has been told that we need to determine who poses a threat to the national security - not simply to investigate persons who have come onto our radar screen." DarkGovernment also quoted Caproni as saying, "I don't like to think of us as a spy agency because that makes me really nervous. We don't want to live in an environment where people in the United States think the government is spying on them. That's an oppressive environment to live in and we don't want to live that way."
that could be an all-encompassing category; if you have dissenting views against the gov't (which used to be considered 'patriotic'  , now you're a potential "terrorist". it seems our so-called "freedom" and "democracy" is limited to the corporate/gov't options they present us. in an unstable economic climate, where all the big fish are eating the smaller fish (monopolies are supposed to be illegal, mind you), this should come as no surprise. if the market crashes, watch as our troops mobilize on the homefront. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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benzyme wrote:that could be an all-encompassing category; if you have dissenting views against the gov't (which used to be considered 'patriotic'  , now you're a potential "terrorist". it seems our so-called "freedom" and "democracy" is limited to the corporate/gov't options they present us. in an unstable economic climate, where all the big fish are eating the smaller fish (monopolies are supposed to be illegal, mind you), this should come as no surprise. if the market crashes, watch as our troops mobilize on the homefront. I was reading a quiz from the Department of Homeland Security a couple years ago and they defined people protesting the government as a "low-level form of domestic terrorism" - I'm looking for the link now.. I am really disappointed that my only two choices are Republicans or Democrats who are both total corporate whores (especially since the Supreme Courts ruling on Citizens United) and both are totally cool with spending all available funds in foreign countries (military industrial complex anyone?) while cutting social programs at home. The path Bush took the country down with the Patriot Act has simply been continued by Obama. We need a viable 3rd party or even multiple parties (like in the UK). The two party system is simply an illusion of freedom. Just my $.02
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Clowns in red suits... or clowns in blue suits? Maybe it was all the drugs I smoalked, but I'M AFRAID OF CLOWNS. :evil: 95% of my garbage is just plant matter... All the Caapi I brewed last summer, along with all my other fruity scraps, was given directly to some gardener's compost, made into amazingly rich soil, probably dispersed across 1/3 of the city... Some things will come easy, some will be a test
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BTW, I should mention this. People who do take steps to guard their privacy have been, for a LONG time, running ALL their paperwork, discarded mail, etc., etc., through a paper shredder before discarding it. (and be aware that many cheap paper shredders do NOT shred paper enough to make it difficult to read--they basically just cut it into strips. "Cross cut" shredders do the best as far as privacy is concerned).
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yes ... unfortunately. And it's not just the (theoretical) prospect of government agents coming for your trash. The far more realistic issue is that of common criminals going into your trash for credit card info, social scurity info, name/address info, etc. A few dollars invested in a crosscut shredder takes care of that...along with some additioonal common-sesnse strategies you can easily think up! WHOA!
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Couldn't find the " no nock " thread, but thought this was connected anyhow.... http://www.youtube.com/w...ilpage&v=pV7u91A3KGQ"Eat your vegetables and do as you're told, or you won't be going to the funfair!"
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