you wouldnt happen to know the ratio in Syrian Rue would you? what about adding THH to a rue extract?

SWIM just ordered 1 gram. He'll be doing more tests soon.

SWIM is planning to take a very large dose orally. The last time when he used 200 mg orally, he had an actual vision of a face superimposed on the wall plus lots of sparkly visuals. He wants to see if 300 mg orally will be more visual.

Anyone have a good way to freebase such a small amount without too much loss of material? SWIM wants to try smoking it too.

I absolutely don’t agree about that remark about DMT above. DMT is not the main psychoactive compound in ayahuasca. Harmine and THH are the main psychoactive compounds in ayahuasca, DMT just adds extra visual content. It’s just an additive.

Telepathine was used to name the compound in Ayahuasca responsible for the telepathic effects. At the time they thought it was harmine and so harmine was given the name. The reason they didn’t look at DMT was because not all ayahuasca has DMT in it. So they studied only banisteriopsis caapi which is the single plant common to all ayahuasca. Which on its own can cause visions. SWIM has had dream-like visions from just banisteriopsis caapi alone. So I don’t believe for a second that DMT is the main psychoactive compound in ayahuasca. That is just inaccurate, as there is ayahuasca that is very powerful that is made without any DMT at all.

The "DMT intensity" and the "Ayahuasca presence" which told you this.

The key important central core understanding here is that the "DMT intensity" and the "Ayahuasca presence" that told you these things, especially about telepathy, are =two different entities=.

This is something very central that I learned about Ayahuasca living with Indians in the Amazon for whom Ayahuasca is at the center of their life and has been for thousands of years -- in fact, I lived with an Ayahuasca shaman and his family, but also participated in ceremonies in other Indian villages. So their perception of the matter should count for something. I emphasize this because it seems to get forgotten by people who brew and drink Ayahuasca here.

It is not an accident that the brew bears the name of the Vine.
To the Indians, using Ayahuasca means developing a relationship with this teacher-being, the Caapi spirit, who is the Mother of all Plants. To them, the DMT plants are =her helpers= -- whereas I find that people in North America tend to look at the DMT as the main event and the Caapi as a mere potentiator.

But it should be remembered that the first Westerners who studied Ayahuasca ceremonies named the active chemicals in the Caapi vine "telepathine," precisely because of what you are talking about. They observed the telepathy in the ceremonies, they discovered it themselves. Those chemicals were later renamed harmine and harmaline, but the original name still testifies to how much telepathy is one of Caapi's specialties.

You can even take Caapi alone =without= her DMT helpers, and you won't get much of anything in the way of visuals, and it is overall a much gentler and calmer experience than it is with the DMT added, but she can lead you into some profound insights.

I agree with this. The DMT and Ayahuasca (Caapi) experience are totally distinct. For me, the medicinal plant brew contains a consciousness - divine spirit teacher, if you will -that straight-up DMT does not.

Wasn't this why the CIA investigated Ayahuasca in the 50's? William Burroughs mentions their investigation into a drug they called "Telepathine" that was an Ayahuasca derivitive if i recall correctly...

There’s so much conflicting information about rue though. I've read that rue contains THH, and I’ve also read that it doesn't. I've read that it's usually 2/3rds harmine, and other books say 2/3rds harmaline! Others say 50:50! So who knows? It’s likely that they are all right and that it simply varies a lot in alkaloid content by strain, season, etc.

Yea you are all right, DMT is not the main psychoactive component I should not have said it like that and thanks for correcting me.

SWIM has never taken that mixture of MAOI on own so couldn't say what subjective effects are.

I also did not realize that people have actually experienced telepathic effects. I thought that was just a name some scientists gave it because they saw a bunch of native people taking it and seeming to communicate with each other and other beings but not actually taking it themselves.

Would you all think that THH is the ingredient responsible then because its one of the main differences between b caapi and p harmala in terms of alkaloids?

Again sorry for the misinformation.



There is a very good chance THH could be an artifact in rue extracts as its known to form under acidic conditions. So they way people extract it could be playing a big role.

I’m also interested. SWIM has once had what seemed to be telepathic effect from a small amount of 5-MeO-DMT taken sublingually. He visited someplace in the world that appeared to be 100% real. Not a hallucination. He was watching these people having a normal conversation about normal everyday life. Nothing spectacular. These were people he didn’t know. They were unaware of his presence. It seemed completely real to SWIM. It’s never happened to SWIM before or since.

SWIM is also interested in the potential telepathic effects of THH. One of the members here talked about such effects. How many of you have experienced telepathic effects from THH? SWIM has not YET. He’s going to order more soon.

How should one go about testing telepathy?

I've pondered previously what a disaster universal telepathy would be, should it ever be experienced by humanity. We can barely handle the things people *say* to one another, let alone having direct access to the fearful, damaged shitstorm that almost everyone has frothing in their minds. Whoo...

maybe some agents and people have this right) but we do not know it

No, they do have it in stock. SWIM bought some yesterday. SWIM just checked a minute ago and they have it in stock. Maybe you looked in the wrong place or maybe you need to refresh your web browser?