I tried Pharmahuasca for the first time, to make my pharmahuasca I did an extraction on chaliponga using water and phosphoric acid and an extraction on syrian rue using water and acetic acid. I then boiled these two solutions down, I then added phosphoric acid to the syrian rue extract because I thought the heat might have freebased the alkaloids. I then drank the syrian rue extract, it was the most acidic, toxic thing I have ever drank, I think I can easily say the pH was below 4. I should have used pH paper to find out what the pH was but I didn't have any and I really thought I didn't put in as much phosphoric acid as I clearly did add.

I then waited half an hour and then I drank the chaliponga extract, this too was extremely acidic. I couldn't keep it down for more than two seconds and I projectile-vomited it up with everything I ate in the last 8 hours that day.

From that point I gradually got more and more ill, after 5 hours had passed my vision was blurry, I had a headache, my blood was burning me, my heart hurt every time it beat and my stomach hurt. I felt so ill, I went on the Nexus Chat where I told everyone there of my situation, they told me to seek medical assistance. I did eventually call an ambulance, they had no idea what 'phosphoric acid' was. They wanted me to give them the bottle but I had hidden the bottle outside so I wasn't going to give them the bottle and I told them to look up 'phosphoric acid' as it was a common chemical, to this I got the response 'No one has ever heard of phosphoric acid, it is not something people have lying around'. They asked me where I got the phosphoric acid and why I drank it but I didn't tell them as I didn't want to incriminate myself.

When I got to the hospital I was given a drip of intravenous sodium chloride solution, I had this administered slowly over a time period of about 8 hours. When I was in the hospital I started tripping, I was not tripping before this point. I was tripping so hard I thought I might have been dreaming but I was clearly in reality. I experienced many different things but I didn't enjoy any of it because I was feeling extremely ill from my excessive intake of phosphoric acid.

Some of the things I experienced were people and entities appearing and disappearing and warping into surreal objects that didn't make any sense. I had the most vivid hallucination I have EVER had in my life, what happened was I was lying on a table getting an X-ray taken so they could see if the acid had burned any holes in my stomach and I saw a 14 year old girl appear on the ceiling, her feet were against the wall and her back was against the ceiling, she had black hair and grey clothes and she was looking down at me. Another hallucination I had was of a strange purple and pink entity with giant feathers coming off it's back, it ran towards me until it was so close to me that all I could see was it's left eye. I also had a hallucination that was based on my sense of touch, something moved across me so fast that it almost pulled me sideways with the speed it moved at, it felt real but I knew it wasn't because the odds of a small, mechanical drone flying by me in a hospital at extreme speeds were low.

This is probably the most interesting part of my trip, I managed to exist in hyperspace and reality SIMULTANEOUSLY. I was 70% in hyperspace and 30% in reality, in reality I was sitting on a hospital bed but in hyperspace which at this time felt extremely real, equally as real as reality, I was walking around an amazing psychedelic landscape, the entities were of low intelligence and more like plants that anything else but some of them were covered in eyes, they seemed happy. This psychedelic landscape was the most amazing place I have ever been in my life, I could actually feel my legs moving even though in reality I was perfectly still. The clouds were constant explosions of neon oranges, neon greens and neon purples. They expanded and then blended into each other.

Some of the things in my trip I am unable to remember properly, there was much more of my trip than I am able to remember. I was so ill and there was blood in my urine because I drank too much phosphoric acid. I had to stay in the hospital overnight and my stomach still hurts even though I am no longer in the hospital.

From now on I will NEVER drink something unless I have extracted it first and then added it to orange juice or perhaps I will keep it in it's solid form, turn it into a salt, put it in a capsule and then administer it that way. I will always test the pH of substances before I drink them. Don't ever drink something which you do not know the pH of, if you test the pH and the pH is 2 then it is obvious you have added too much of whichever acid you added, do not drink anything with an extremely low pH. I hope I will not suffer any long-term consequences because of my stupidity.

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience, Seraph. But excuse me from saying, but what's wrong with doing a simple boil with a little lemon juice, strain and drink??..I would never be tempted to be using phosphoric acid, and acetic acid-nasty stuff for the stomach, and not only that , but on top of peuky syrian rue is surely asking for some awful outcome?

I'm glad you are well enough to post here now Seraph

Can you let the Nexus know a little more about what type your phosphoric acid was?It has a lot of different uses, including food and drinks consumed regularly plus its a key ingredient in grout cleaning solutions and is used in dentistry for etching purposes.

I sure there are useful learning points for alot of us in your experience.

Get fully well again!!

christ..glad you are ok. I wont even brew with vinegar becasue it burns the hell out of my stomach to drink that stuff in a reduced brew. I cant imagine drinking phosphoric acid along with harmalas and DMT..

Sounds like one hell of an experience though..I would have most likely ran from the hospital! Im surprised you can endure all of that in that setting!

it certainly must have felt like acid??

Good God man... I'm glad you're ok. That sounds like one hellofa nasty ride.

I really hope there's no long term damage and you get to feeling better soon. <3

I'd like to know how much Phosphoric was used.

The primary "Phosphoric Tech" for ayahuasca that I know of uses about 20 drops total then reduced.

However, this is 10% Phosphoric acid as sold for Beer Brewing etc.

It is even sold for ingestion toward softening gall bladder stones for Liver cleansing.

I believe 20 drops is a tad bit over 1/4tsp.

wow! but why the hell did you do that? extreme caution is advised when dealing with the sacrament, theese substances must be respected.

What are you talking about?

No need to be short, Snozz, it seems pretty clear to me what he is on about.

I think you could re word oneisthealls post to:
"I am shocked at your failure and the terrible consequences that resulted from it. Why did you create a preparation in this way? I believe that when dealing with DMT, which I consider to be sacred, you should thoroughly research and respect all aspects of the preparation and ingestion procedures".

I don't think seraph acted disrespectfully towards what some people may view as sacrament at any time in his experience. If you feel like he did, could you please show me where he disrespected it or the experience? A miscalculation on the amount of acid (or the properties of an acid when the brew is reduced) is a mistake, NOT a disrespecting, imo. What merit is there to such a remark even if you believe it is disrespectful? You don't see the dmt OD threads full of nonesense about disrespect just because someone took too much, not fully understanding what they were up against; it's not productive and doesn't add anything to the discussion. Just as in this case, they understand the nature of their mistake and learn for the future.

Furthermore, the question of "why the hell did you do that?" is one that A) if it is rhetorical, is incredibly rude and has no place here and B) if it is not, is incredibly vague and should be expounded upon (hence my asking what he is talking about). It seems odd that you would chide me about being short when the response to which I was replying provided zero contextual information, had just as "short" of a tone (and was arguably quite rude), and wasn't posted by you. I don't find your reply satisfying in the least and I'd still like to know what the original intent of that comment was.

Also, having been in the chat at the time this happened, I feel rather vested in this and don't appreciate people who weren't there and who may not grasp the gravity of the situation or the unfolding of events throwing in their haughtily worded and ultimately pointless rebuffs.

Yes – this is an easy mistake to make. The chemists among us can correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that some acids will evaporate when heated (acetic, hydrochloric) and others will not (citric, fumaric).

I used some fumaric acid in my very first brew, and when the brew was reduced, it became incredibly sour (but not dangerously so). It tasted awful – very bitter and very sour at the same time.

Anyhow, if phosphoric acid doesn’t evaporate and instead becomes more and more concentrated when a brew is reduced, then one could potentially consume an unsafe quantity/concentration of acid. It’s not a question of respect, but rather a question of understanding the chemical behavior of the particular acid used. As I said, an easy mistake to make!

Dead on gibran, phosphoric is very likely to remain in solution and become more concentrated, just as you mentioned. Mistakes, especially when learned the hard way do not need further chiding, but rather support from the community. Especially in cases like this where someone not only has a medical emergency, but also winds up in the hospital while under the influence of pharma. That is an experience I would not wish upon my worst enemy.

This could have been avoided if you read a little more and thought about what you were doing. Still... the story was very entertaining.
Be moar carefull!

sorry did not mean sound rude.I was shocked with the large ingestion of acid, i wondered if this is adviced somewhere or why this was done.
but anyway, recently i have made my mistakes also.

hehehe

karma will get cha!

You have mis read the tone of my post. I can see why, it wasn't worded well, and much can be lost from the intended tone of a post when you are not face to face with someone. It was certainly not intended to be haughty, or a rebuff at all. You seem pissed at me and I'm genuinely sorry about that.

I simply thought you had mis interpreted oneistheall's post, and that you had responded sharply to his (albeit vaguely worded) post. It's seems it was actually I who mis interpreted your tone.

I felt like oneisthealls post had a good intention, and I wanted to illustrate what I thought his point was. I don't agree with his post, I was just trying to make it more succinctly worded (although unfortuneately this was interpreted as haughty and pointless).

I don't disagree with any of your points. I don't believe the OP was disrespectful, and we all make dose etc. mistakes, I've made plenty so I have every sympathy. I certainly wasn't intending to chide you, and you certainly have made your point. So sorry dude, I'll try and be clearer from now on and hope not to upset too many more people.

The haughty rebuff I felt came from oneistheall, not you. I was rather irked when I wrote that reply; at the initial post by oneistheall and then your defense of it. I have nothing against either of you, it just annoyed me that he posted as he did and then you came rushing to his defense after I questioned his post. Honestly, my reply was most likely a combination of ego and annoyance, and for that I apologize.

It's been made apparent to me repeatedly that recently I have a rather large stick up my ass that needs to be removed. I'm hoping to use some intention/focus meditations over the next little bit and follow that up with a mushroom session, as I find that usually helps me let go of things and not sweat the small stuff.

apologies
SB

no probs. it's all good

sb, im affraid i owe you no explanations.i just experessed my opinion with respect and did not break any of the foum rules.I live in a free world and i tolerate many things i dont like, i iterpretate censorship as a kind of dictatorship, if you dont like something i said, deal with it.any way, i apologized not because i needed to, but because i wanted to.I belive you are taking my words to seriously, probably using me to let go the pressure of something else.I say this because i dont think my words are that relevant, they are just that : an opinion in a certain moment, with a certain judgement.so what.