I want 1 or 2 kids for sure. I wont have any kids until I am 100% self employed and can creat my own schedule and work from home etc. I want to be able to dedicate my time to actually being around when I have kids, and I want to be able to teach them about life and not just send them off to school to learn god knows what. I dont think I would send my kids to public school, but I also dont want to shelter them or cut them off from normal socializing so I would have to find a way to have them properly educated yet still have lots of contact with other kids..and I dont want to have kids in the city either, or in an apartment..

"Ragabr: i agree that as a parent you are exposed to lot's of social pressure. Most of the parents from our kindergarten are those narrow minded, materialistic people with whom i do not want to share my spare time and living in a small village with mostly white conservative parents, i do stick out of the group with my African face and African semi dreaded hair but hey...it's just funny to see the irony of it all"

That is a problem with public school. I dont feel at all that to have kids I need to change my beliefs or psychedelic practices..yet if your kids go off to school saying odd things about it to teachers/other parents there will be problems, which is a sad side effect of our culture. When I have kids I will explain to them exactly what it is I am doing but only when they are old enough to understand it..Where I live there is no shorage of similar minded psychedelic people, both young and old and with children. Thats one good thing about BC, there are tons of islands etc all around that are almost like semi-communes..not really communes but towns filled with hippies who grew up and got out of the city, had kids etc and now live better lives.

I have thought about this alot. I dont think I would be ready still for another 5 years though.

Never quite as simple as that. And do you believe, law aside, that spice is a negative thing? To me it is kind of akin to saying once you have a kid, well, stop having sex, he might see, and you need to get your priorities straight... Sounds like a lot of catholic guilt (which I do have, but am dealing with ) And depending where you live, I don't believe having a few drugs around for personal use is really that much of a liability. If I did, I would CERTAINLY flush it all and wait until my kid had left home. But where I live, no one gets busted for drugs for personal use unless they are flaunting it in public.

Responsible use of drugs is a mature adult decision, and I hope one day, as an adult, my son will try all the things I have - but that will be his decision, and I will certainly be more careful and surreptitious as he gets older so that he doesn't make the immature mistake of thinking that tripping balls at 13 is what it's all about - cause papa does... These are important questions, but so far I do not believe the answer i to change who you are and what you do and the core of your very spirituality when you have a kid. Everyone loses with this approach.

JBArk

I dunno..I strongly dissagree with that. Is it fair to your child to raise them into the same naive mindset that society already attempts to brainwash us into with public schools, fast food and TV etc? If you are stupid about things than stupid things happen to you I guess. I really do not understand how people get caught with DMT or any other of these substances unless they are stupid about it. Dont sell drugs if you have kids, dont run around telling everyone or growing weed in your back yard for all to see..dont have weird drug labs where your kids eat breakfast or smoke DMT in front of them so they can run off talking to someone else about it..

I will raise kids someday, and I will take psychedelics. I dont think that means my priorities will not be with my children, or that anyone here who takes DMT doesnt have they're priorities straight. The idea that you would have to give up something that really is not harmful but benificial, or change who your are and become some tight ass conservative person is rediculous..it is a side effect of a fearful and judgemental society. These are exactly the ideals that children should NOT be exposed to. I would want to raise my children honestly and teach them about the reality of life so that I am leaving some sort of legacy on the planet that I can die being proud of.

No, spice is not a negative thing. I can see how the last sentence in my previous post can be looked at as condemnation. I did not mean it this way. I speak for myself: I wouldn't feel responsible with kids and dmt (not to mention a host of other reasons I would never father a kid), but I only speak for myself. Where I live you can go to prison for the rest of your life for extracting and possessing dmt.

^ yeah that is another issue and why I want out of the city. There are sooo many beach town out in nature here in BC where things are different than in the city here. Most people there are much more open minded about these things in general and these communities are places I would raise my kids. I would never have kids living here in the city. The US is different in reguard to drugs.

I want my kids to be able to walk 5 minutes from the house and go surf or skimboard or swim, play in the woods or whatever the hell they want to do rather than walk outside and watch homeless people suffereing pushing around shopping carts and smoking crack.

I have 3 pain in the rear end kidz that bring me more joy and love into my life than i ever imagined. The birth process is simply beautiful and amazing! Kind of alien too(sperm attacthes to an egg and a human is created, living in the belly of another human for 9 months). I was 19 when i had my first and didn't see the beauty in it, but at 30 with my 3rd i was in tears, the most beatiful experience of my life! If i HAD to go back and change anything i wouldn't! Having kids/child support at an early age has made my life a little more difficult at times and prevented me from doing all the things I really wanted to. But I am 100% happy with where my life's at right now and the direction we(family)are moving!

Having kids to me is like preserving life. Our children are the future.

Slightly off-topic, but Psychedelic Salon has a great talk with Alex and Alysson Grey on Psychedelic Families here. It touches on a lot of the issues of psychedelics and children.

"Having kids to me is like preserving life. Our children are the future."

Yes, I believe that in a very literal sense. I was unsure about having children until one ayahuasca experience I had last year. I experiences the birth of my future daughter, as me through her eyes. I was literally the reincarnation of myself(and the childs mother) but compressed into a single human lifeform..with the ego rebooted. I then experienced this download like a compact waveform containing all the information of every relative gone before me..we live on through out children. For me it was the thing that verified a very tangible level to the idea of reincarnation.

Beyond that I believe that children are the reachable ones. I dont believe so much in politics as a means to change as much as I used to. I used to be involved more in political parties and I would go to rallies. Slowly I began to realize over time that language is a big factor here..the world ideaology is what drives all of this..and I now see the mythology of language as an expression of value..what we value and in what ways we value things are important..probabily THE most important factor in how we choose to relate to the world. Children are important here becasue they arent yet imprinted to the degree that adults are and they are much more elastic..If we raise our children on stories and mythologies about the world that inspire values that connect us to the earth and align us with her cycles than I believe that these children will be the ones that save us. This is one of the main reasons why I really want to have kids eventually. It took me alot to begin to see this way, and still it is hard at times becasue it conflicts with what I was taught earlier on. I want my children to grow up on a far richer cosmology than I.

Damn straight. If you die, not having passed along some of your sense of things, then to a large extent it dies with you... and I feel like the experience of reality that DMT/ayahuasca users have is so precious and rare in today's world that it'd be a shame to take it away with you.
I want my future kid to hang out with fractal's future kid... and go to a school taught by jBark's... to be surrounded by other people who were raised with some of the same ideas that I would want to raise them with, and together be able to help along positive change.

I know that sounds a lot like the Catholic stance on procreation, but I still feel that way! And it's not to say I don't want to have a kid for the sake of it! I like kids, and I want to be a parent someday. And when I'm dead, I want p33ps to still be breaking through and saying hi to me on the Other Side!

I have an amazing 9 year old daughter .
I would not change a thing .
Being a father is one of the best things that has ever happened
To me .

Living a hedonistic life has nothing on watching your own child
Being born and the journey that begins at that point .

Having a child and being a parent is one if the most natural
Things a person can do . It's not always easy, yet there is something about
Being responsible for a life and all that goes along with it
That actually makes you a better person . Words break down .

I am a more loving compassionate human being because of my child .
And that's only part of it . I haven't missed out on anything . Everything is possible .

This is one of the reasons I feel the need to reproduce, but it is important to remember that one will leave behind a legacy regardless of children.
Every action is is an undying echo of awareness through interaction with all of existence. To some extent, any change incited within already present society is just as meaningful as the indoctrinating ability one has with offspring.

That said, having children has the potential of being extremely transforming for the parent, as Felnik has mentioned. I think this may be more important than any ego-centric desire to train the child.

I plan on having kids. I used to feel very uncomfortable about the notion of bringing a life into this strange world we live in. But then, that's life. Life encounters adversity in many forms. Just because things in a person's life are not always easy and the world isn't always what we'd like it to be doesn't mean our lives aren't worth living, so why should it mean that our children's lives aren't worth living? Bringing new life into this world is one of the most natural things we can do. Sure, the thought of having a child to care for is daunting, but our ancestors have been managing it for millions of years.

It's a life-altering voyage that I look forward to undertaking.

I never felt like to have kids, still don't feel that way and probably never will.

But I do love kids just don't want have mine. Maybe I am too selfish but that's the way I want it and I am glad that my wife feel the same way as I do.

You never know what changes life will bring in you - 6 or 7 years ago, at 35, I was CERTAIN I never wanted kids, and I had been with my GF for 8 years at that point. Then, i don't know what hapened - sense of my own mortality, friends having kids, remembering my parents are to die sooner than later and maybe wanting, among other things, to give them the thing they have wanted most for over 15 years, or perhaps some undocumented male biological clock impulse... (??!!) who knows, but rather suddenly and certainly, i wanted a kid.

Shit happens, then you flush the toilet.

JBArk

My kid would be honoured to teach your kid - and i bet you this future hypothetical kid of yours could teach my kid a thing or two as well !

JBArk

I want to have a kid to raise the standarts of humanity - cause I will create, whenever IT tells me to do it!

http://deoxy.org/meme/Kids_and_Psychedelics

I have yet to read this but it seems like it would be related.

It brings me peace knowing that some of you Nexians that I respect so much are raising children who will grow up hearing the words of knowledge, respect, and humility that I am lucky enough to read here on the Nexus.

However, I have no desire to have children of my own.

I have a 4 year old daughter and she's the love of my life She's so cute and funny and I always look forward to seeing her when I'm on my way to pick her up at the kindergarden.
To observe her and see her character evolve is an amazing experience. To live with someone that believes Spiderman is for real is priceless

My life would feel very empty without her. Even thou I have a lot of friends and family.

Clouds

Thank you for this fascinating thread, i would love to have a child some day. I truly feel that children when you are around them have the amazing ability to teach you more than you end up teaching them. Children seem to cultivate such compassion and understanding within you when you are around them. I can not imagine passing up the opportunity to learn and impart knowledge with someone as precious as a child of your own who is a part of you.

I think it is really important for people who journey with entheogens to procreate on one hand as more often than not people who generally look deeper at life usually think twice about having children, which sadly makes the percentages of people world wide who are more consciously aware and in tune much lower than people who are less consciously aware. In turn creating more social and economic issues for our global community...


Much Peace and Understanding