OK, so I've been reading on the LSA/LSH posts for quite a while, and I think I have an idea.

I know that LSH is a theoretical chemical made from acetaldehyde, but let's put that aside for right now.

What if instead of thinking of LSH as a single psychedelic chemical, we think of it more of the name for a plant admixture. Sort of like Ayahuasca is a plant admixture. In this thread,( https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=5733 ) 69ron talks about all the different things you can add to make your trip more "LSD" like. So what if LSH is really just LSA (from morning glory/HBWR/Ololiqui) plus other plants that intensify the experience.

So, has anyone had any LSA experience with any of the following plant add-ins, and if so, what was your dosage:

Yohimbe
Datrua Stramonium seeds
Kola Nut
Ephedra
Psilocybin
Cannabis
DMT
Syrian Rue / Other harmalas
Salvia
Ect. any others I cannnot think of

Thoughts?

I'm not really sure what you're talking about. LSH/LAH is a distinct chemical compound, not a mixture, known from fresh seeds and thought to break down over time into LSA and acetaldehyde. If you're talking about a mixture of LSA/LSH containing seeds with other herbs or substances, it should clearly not be named LSH. That would be nothing but confusing.

On the topic of combining these seeds with harmalas: stay away from that combination, people have reported bad interactions including intense dysphoria.

"What if instead of thinking of LSH as a single psychedelic chemical, we think of it more of the name for a plant admixtur69e."

...well I could say that about any psychedelic chemical from psilocin to mescaline..so I am not sure what you are really getting at here.

"Sort of like Ayahuasca is a plant admixture."

Technically ayahuasca is not a plant admixture. Ayahuasca(caapi) IS ayahuasca. It is the base of the brew when admixtures are added and even taken alone it is the brew itself, it is not an admixture. Chaliponga, tobacco, datura or chacruna would all be admixtures in the context of ayahuasca.

Lysergic acid containing seeds are definatily very potent by themselves when the dose is right..they do not require any sort of admixtures to be active.

Quite a while back i googled "Hawaiian baby woodrose combos" and came up with quite a few pages of reports about the above combos that you are suggesting. I haven't had the possability to try any as of yet, but they definately seem worthwhile.

-These seeds contain LSA. There are a lot of theories about ways of converting them to LSH, etc, but it seems to be a bit uncertain. Also many people seem to get best effects from consuming the ground up seed rather than making a chemical extraction. Again i may be wrong, but this is my current impression from what i have so far read.

If you want to have good experiences with LSA/LSH, ololiqui is the way to go. Most people are not that positive on HBWR, it seems to have more negative side-effects than all of the other seeds.
Ololiqui can give experiences that are extremely close to an LSD trip. Datura seeds definately do enhance the effects of it, is my experience.

I'm sorry my wording was a bit strange. I guess what I was trying to get at was the reason people are attempting the LSA to LSH conversion is to make it more like LSD. Since we don't really have any certainty on the subject of LSH, it might be easier to make LSA more LSD-like by adding other plants to the experience. I hope that makes more sense.

Fractal, you are absolutely right. My intent was to compare it as a psychedelic brew.

I have some HBWR so I will soon be trying some of these combinations (Minus the harmalas, thanks for the warning Evening).

If you want an LSA/LSH experience to be more LSD-like, my thinking is that you would want less nausea and other negative bodily symptoms and more visual effects. Cannabis, ginger tea and/or a few Datura stramonium seeds (max 10 is safe but any more may be toxic and dangerous, search the forums for more information) will all help ease the nausea and perhaps other negative symptoms. The D. stramonium seeds will also make the trip a bit stronger, perhaps resulting in more visual effects and likely also more euphoria. Cannabis will also potentiate it, although it will also alter it significant.

I agree that Rivea corymbosa (Ololiúqui) is the variant of these seeds with the best effects, maybe because they have more LSH than LSA compared to the others. All seeds have a better effect the fresher they are, and it is known that the natives use only fresh seeds. You should also make a cold-water infusion of the seeds rather than eating them, to reduce nausea etc.

LSA/LSH is more sedative and have a more "earthy" feel than the stimulative and "electric" feel of LSD, so adding a stimulant may be a good idea. Ephedra, Sida acuta or another ephedrine source may be effective, although I feel ephedrine may be a bit too effective, especially in higher dosages. A caffeine/theobromine source such as coffee, green/white/black tea, cacao etc. may suit better. I personally enjoy Yerba maté and Ilex guayusa as my favorite stimulants. The stimulant Yohimbe is just as the harmalas an MAOI, even though it is weaker I would be careful if I were to experiment with it in combination with LSA/LSH.

LSA is also a vasoconstrictor, which means that your blood vessels tighten resulting in lower blood flow and thus negative bodily symptoms. I would therefore combine it with a vasodilator, such as the ones on this list. Several of the plants I mentioned also work as vasodilators. Also take a look at this collection of recipes and discussion concerning exactly your question.

I tried a combination of HBWR and syrian rue on Wednesday for the first time. It's bodily effects are quite harsh... but in this way, it feels medicinal - it's as if blood flows more easily, the heart is given quite a work out.

7 HBWR with 2 grams of syrian rue gave quite an intense emotional experience... but it did last a long time. I went through cycles of upset, dismay and of euphoria and an "urge to live more".

It's a combination to be respected - I was in emotional turmoil for 24 hours.

Edit# - I see little point in extractions and attempts to reduce side effects with these seeds. It's just my opinion and experience, but the bodily effects of the seeds are part of their nature... and you cannot get all the good without some of the bad.

I know this thread is a year old, but I'm considering trying a combination of LSA, Caffeine, and L-Arginine this weekend and just want to make sure that a combo like this is safe.

The above quoted post leads me to believe it is but I would love some more input.

Kind Regards.

Hello...

I have taken fresh morning glories and various morning glory concoctions many times with great success.

Morning glories combined with a blend of both psilocybe cubensis and amanita muscaria for me provided some very realistic and DMT type visuals.


MG's and Caapi tea together along with some T. bridgisi cactus. was quite visual with good results. Mg's And Mimosa-huasca gave me an amplified body load, didn't care for it. Mg's and smoked DMT was also a bit disappointing, In short I feel like DMT+MG's is not anywhere near as strong as DMT+LSD.

LSD and MG's were great, I also added some P cubensis in the mix which added some major color to the experience.

As a side note I don't at all care for woodrose compared to Morning glories, while the morning glories may be weaker, they seem to be much friendlier all around than the HBWR. Also If I am correct, woodrose has no known entntheogenic history of usage along with it, so I consider the spirit ally within it to be largely untamed.

Also, IMHO when LSA is prepared correctly it should not make you that tired and should actually stimulate similar to what LSD does...

I am a heavy caffeine user and from my experience LSA goes terribly with any stimulant other than mescaline or coca leaves. Too much caffeine+LSA gives me weird anxiety.

That combo sounds pretty safe to me. Your going to want something on hand in case these two problems show up:

1. stomach nausea/cramping
2. Muscle tightness

Magnesium, kava, cannabis, ginger... these are some options.

What do you consider proper?

Method I use is grind seeds to fine powder, let soak in dH2O in fridge for 24-48 hours, filter, drink

- For proper I believe that the seeds had to have been harvested and slow dried in the dark and then consumed within a few months of harvest

but even with recently harvested dried seeds... I believe dry seeds gives you something closer to ergine rather than LSA....
Ergine while psychoactive, has lots of unpleasant effects and is no where near as active as LSA

LSA (lysergic amides) are held together by something known as the ergine ring....This delicate ergine ring is very sensitive to decay....
this ring when together and complete forms LSA...when allowed to degrade past a certain point it turns into ergine.

Basically what I am saying is fresh off the vine MG's is where it's at.
Germinated seedlings are also better than dried ones.
I have had a good experience from dried seeds but they were dried in darkness and were less than two weeks old when I ate them.

The same recipe you mention can be used with ground fresh morning glory mush or germinated seedling mush., yielding a more powerful result......the shelf life is not more than a few days however because the LSA in this form is highly unstable and sensitive to degradation.

Also I have tried just chewing the fresh morning glory pods, gutting the juice and spitting out the pulp...if you do this with about 20-75 pods..the results will amaze you compared to "dried" MG's.

I have a few good recipes for fresh morning glory potions and I will post them in the LSA section soon.

what?

LSA is ergine. I think you mean ergoline.
afaik, the ergoline ring is stable; what is sensitive to degradation (epimerization) is the chiral carbon at the 8-position of ergine, perhaps even susceptible to deamidation.

Ahhhhh, yes

Thank you benzyme for articulating what I had tragically failed to say....


My science skills are iffy at best but my point is.....

dried morning glories will more likely make you sick as opposed to fresh ones

LSA is kind of similar to LSD in certain subtle ways, but I would discourage you from trying to get LSD-like effects from LSA, or in combination with other plants. It's really just a difference in the attitude of the drug and dosages required, you simply won't have similar experience. Try both out from a sober state and tell me you don't see what I mean.

This is not to say that LSA is not an awesome and potentially beneficial substance... it can be shockingly intense in its own ways, and incredibly insightful. It maintains some "smart" qualities from LSD, but altogether has a strong "plant-like" air about it, as DMT, mushrooms and peyote... at least in my opinion. Coupled with ayahuasca or almost any psychoactive plant, it can bring on or intensify a trip and yes, ayahuasca can help it provide a very similar headspace... but notably different to a point that makes comparison rather silly.

If you want an LSD trip, take LSD.
If you want an LSA trip, take LSA.
Both are awesome when used properly... just take the proper drug.