[quote=gobalswg]

Yes, alcohol has it's purpose but just because someone notices his evil side because of it, it doesn't make it an entheogen. Alcohol makes it easier to behave in an immoral, corrupted way. It makes lots of people aggressive, horny and making stupid things while psychedelics almost always make me more reserved, chilled out and detached. Aggression, pointless sex without love and other such acts are very unappealing to me while on psychedelics. I feel wiser on them, more moral. While alcohol... well... it makes things easy and it has its uses but come on! I even feel repulsed when trying to drink on psychedelics.

It's more like an ensatangen

Can it have entheogenic merit? I suppose, in the proper context, but I at least do not have the proper cultural support to find anything divine in it.

It's only the devils drink if it doesn't taste good.

Otherwise...

it's my drink

In a proper context even excrements can be psychedelic. And I mean it very seriously.

Alcohol makes it easier to behave in an immoral, corrupted way. It makes lots of people aggressive, horny and making stupid things while psychedelics almost always make me more reserved, chilled out and detached.

Yes, you can prise alcohol for many things and many artists actually were alcoholics. But come one, it's not because of the substance.

Personally I find alcohol to be statistically pernicious to humans. I cannot generalize that it will be poison to every single person because thats a bold claim I can't prove, but one can show with enough data how bad it is in a general sense for society, at least as it stands (in terms of health impact/accidents/social costs).

Also, most people I know, even close friends, when they drink alcohol I really cant be around them , due to their general unconscious behavior and being unaware of consequences to actions, being obnoxious, bad breath smell, etc. Sometimes its more sometimes its less but I've learned by experience to avoid people drinking and their manifestations. So I rather avoid social situations where alcohol is involved (most.. )

I never ever drink alcohol, it is not for me, and I think the world would be a better place if less people would drink, and I find it completely absurd the government's stance on it, how it is a hypocritically socially acceptable 'venting' drug that causes a lot of damage but is accepted since it doesnt lead to questioning the System.

Yet another thing Im pissed about is how you can be sensored, fined or even put in jail in some places for 'gloryfying drug usage' if you try to talk about certain drugs publically, even if reasonably, and yet on TV, outdoors and advertisement we see alcohol being associated with images of fun, sex, success, being 'cool', having fun, etc. This also goes to show how hypocritical and greedy the alcohol industry is too (like all, but knowing this leads to deaths/suffering has a worse moral load imo), so this makes me not want to support the industry either. In this sense I think it would be better if people would brew/distill themselves or buy from small producers that dont advertise unscrupulously, though this would only take care of the industry concerns, I still think in general the effects of alcohol itself are more often than not harmful.

With all that being said (yes I really dont like alcohol), I think ultimately its up to each one to decide what they do. As long as they are not affecting anyone else negatively, who am I to judge this person?

I'm not saying this would happen, but would you rather see psychedelics legalized (even if they end up becoming commercial entities associated in ads with sex, fun....a blast) or would you rather they remain illegal with the hopefully more "mature" images associated with them?