so im having some difficulty with my first extraction
WHat is this orange crystaly solution? I am trying to extract DMT from mimosa hostilis i have basified the solutioon and it turned a blue/grey color and a whole lot of crystals, as the solution has calmed, it has formed into 3 layers, emulusion/ether, blue/grey crystaly solution and underneath is orange solution with white crystals, what is it?

Not quite sure what you're describing, but if it turned blue/grey, you need to add more NaOH. It should be a slick black color.

Hi Nexians.

First off I am sorry about the wall of text. (Mods if this is excessive please feel free to move to a new thread or delete as you see fit)

I didn't want to start a new thread as once I have received answers I doubt the thread would garner many more replies. Basically the day I start my 1st extraction draws near, and I would like to clarify a few things and get some advice and answers that I cannot find easily after about a week of searching.

I am going to do the following tek, which is my take on a combination of 3 different teks - its a STB tek in essence. and all 3 teks differ only slightly, but I am still unsure of a few things.

Materials
750 ml filered tap water
100 grams of shreeded inner MHRB - frozen and thawed twice with pulverisation in a plastic bag done in between freezes
100 grams Lye (casutic soda in my country)
Naptha (Zippo fluid) - I am thinking 70-100mls per pull - 3 pulls in total
1000 ml Glass mason Jar
60 ml syringe
Vinegar (for soaking and in case of lye spills)

Method
After freezing and thawing the shredded bark twice I have powdered it using a coffee grinder, I then put it in a bowl of vinegar and let sit for 2 days.

1. Mix 100 grams of lye with 750 ml of water, shake and wait for reactions to cease.
2. Slowly add 100 grams of powdered MHRB to the basified solution, shake vigourously for around 2 mins, then set aside for 2.5 hrs
3. Heat 100 ml's of Naptha in a heat bath.
4. Slowly add the naptha to the Lye solution & MHRB, Swirl carefully as not to cause any emulsions. (if they do occur I could add more lye) Then set aside for 2.5 hrs.
5. Syphen off the layer of naptha and transfer to a large, flat, square, pyrex baking dish.
6. Evaporate 1/2 the naptha and then move the dish to the fridge for 8hrs, and eventually to the freezer for an additonal 8 hours (overnight)
7. Pour off remaining naptha, turn dish updside down and leave for 30 minutes.
8. Place dish in fron of fan at low setting to help dry crystals.
9. Scrape crystals and smile.
10. Repeat steps 4 through 9 twice more, leaving the last pull overnight (8-12hrs)

I am not doing a clean or re-crystallisation as I have read that this STB method produces fairly clean spice.

My questions are:
- Does this seem like a decent tek? I am not overly confident about the acid soak as there isn't much info about it. (I know the DMT handbook talks of this, but very briefly)

- Do I need to add the powdered MHRB to water before I add it tothe solution? I have heard about red naptha been pulled when powder was used.

- As I am acidifying the MHRB will I need a greater ratio of Lye to get a ph of 13? the ratio I am using is 1:1. Logicaly I would assume so. (I do not have litmus paper and am battling to find locally)

- Will Zippo fluid work?
This is the data from Zippo fuid's Safety data sheet:
Ingredient: VM & P NAPHTHA; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES) 19%
Ingredient: TOLUENE (SARA III) <7%
Ingredient: CYCLOHEXANE (SARA III) <3.5%
Ingredient: VM & P NAPHTHA; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES) 81%
Ingredient: XYLENE (SARA III) <8%
Ingredient: BENZENE, ETHYL-; (ETHYL BENZENE) 2%

Thats more than 100% so I am not sure how they compiled the data to be very honest.
I just don't want to mess up the extraction or injure myself. (I cannot get 100% pure naptha anywhere - seems my country sucks alot more than I originally thought)

Please guys, just looking for advice and guidance, I am feeling quite nervous about this as it has cost me quite a bit to procure all the materials - I do have more MHRB in case, but would rather not have to waste any obviously.

I might think of more question later, but for now thats it.

Thanks in advance.

Peace love and everlasting light

PrimalWisdom

I'd do more than 3 washes and with a bit more solvent, very hot would be better. Also, I usually keep solvent in the fridge a bit longer, 'til I see all crystals down, but I'm a very slow extraction guy =D

To be sure about the zippo lighter fluid purity, put some of it on a glass and wait for it to evaporate. If it leaves any residues, then don't use it. In my country it's leaving nothing bihind, pretty safe and working.


I've got a question too

I'm pretty sure there was a topic about this, but how can we chemically inactivate the MHRB - NaOH solution, when MHRB is exhaust? To just trow it in the bath is a heartpain, too toxic.

I thought about two things: making soap from it (I do soaps, and you use a similar ph solution of just water - NaOH... a mimosa soap would be so nice =D), but you need so little NaOH solution for soaps that you'd need to do 3 kgs of soap for neutrilize a little extraction.

Adding some acid, thought about citric acid, would create salts, but I'm not sure that would be non-toxic.

Ideas, link for topic, anything?

Thanks guys, as usual =)

I wouldnt use more solvent because then you can put it in the freeze straight away without pre-evap, but yeah def do more than 3 pulls.. Keep pulling while there are more crystals crashing.

As for solvents, that zippo wont work for freezing because of 8% xylene.. Either evap (and it will probably not be nice crystals but more gooey, because xylene pulls fats too), or find a new solvent. BTW are these people maths-illiterate? Add up those percentages and its way over 100% lol

As for how you describe your ways of doing pulls, I suggest doing more cycles of stirring/letting stand before pulling out, and no need to leave it standing for 2.5 hours before pulling. As soon as its separated (which should be just a few minutes if its basified enough and you didnt shake) you can pull, but as I said better mix a few times each pull.

If you have red naphtha check the FAQ, it explains how to solve it. It doesnt have to do with order of adding mimosa. You can add the mimosa first and lye after as this helps seeing when its black (which is when its enough lye, but better add a bit more at least, to prevent emulsions)

I suggest turning the freeze precip container upside down and closed in the freezer, after you pour the naphtha out. Otherwise they might melt as it gets warmer.

Good luck

Thanks alot. I am sure its going to be easier once I actually get started. I'm just a bit of an anxious person so I run things through in my head a million times and pick them apart, which causes me to distrust myself.

but yeah I think all questions are answered and I'm good to go. WEEEEEHAAAA!!!

Isn't the 2% ethyl benzene is very poisonous?

good catch rapacc, benzene should be carcinogenic, be careful primal, better get something cleaner.

Where can I find a legit site that sells powdered MHRB and ships to canada? EDIT: http://mimosahostilisrootbark.biz/ and celestial source look good, can anyone compare them for me?

Thanks for picking that up. Going to go to a few chem supply stores later today and find a suitable replacement.

Cheers

PW

PrimalWisdom, it looks like you're not going to be removing any lye that gets in, an easy way to remove any lye left over is to do a sodium carbonate wash, steps can be found here https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...39;s_tek#Step_7:_Washing . Either before you evap some of the naphtha, or after, I'm not an expert at this but make sure you do it somewhere. If you google "sodium BIcarbonate (yes, baking soda) to sodium carbonate" you'll find very simple recipes, put it in the oven and heat to 170F, or something like that

Make sure you measure/know how much naptha you should be using, too little is better than too much because you can always do more pulls

Good luck

The DMT salts have a much higher boiling point than the freebase, right? Hope SWIM didn't vaporize anything too early...

Top o the morning chaps.

Sorry, but yet another WALL OF TEXT INCOMING.

So I did my first extraction last night, STB tek, as I posted above.

Basically 750ml Water, 100 grams bark, 100 grams lye (I know its excessive but I heard a 1:1 ratio is cool)
added lye to water, waited for it to go clear (it was still warmish) added MHRB shook like a mofo, left for an hour and a bit. then added 100ml's naptha swirled for maybe a minute left for 15 mins and pulled.

Did everything by the book, got my first pull evapped and was left with minimal, I mean seriously minimal yield) roughly 10-20mg's it was basically a clear waxy plastic layer (I assume was DMT as its a pretty unique smell hey) nayway i smeered, scraped and re-smeered until it went a pinky/grey/clay colour similar to the freebase DMT pic on the DMT handbook.

I did another pull and evapped, was left with around 70-100mg's in total after the 2 pulls.
I believe I didn't swirl the naptha in the jar for long enough though so I did another pull. and swirled for around 5 minutes left it for about 15 minutes and pulled. I put this in a martini glass and blew on the top to see if any DMT ghosting occured and the naptha went very milky, I'm talking litchi juice milky here. I assume thats a bunch of DMT present right? anyway i cling wrapped it and pooped in the freezer.

anyway I did another longer pull and put it with the other 100ml's of milky naptha, making it 200ml's.

I know I should have probably evapped a bit but i stuck it in the freezer and will check on it tonight. if nothing is there will warm it and add it to he black goo again, evap and freeze again.

I just wanted to check if this is all good? i.e. very milky naptha, little to no yield off 1st 2 pulls? (I know I probably didn't swirl long enough before pulling)

I did try 1/2 of the 70-100mg's and HOLY GOD!!! hows that body load??? Kinda feels like your soul leaving your body or something, and the CEV's are utterly breathtaking, I didn't get any OEV's but I was toking quite leisurely

Anyway yeah just looking for pointers and tips on getting a better yield here. I will be gutted if I don't get any crystals out of the 200ml's freeze precipping atm.

Also I did use a hairdryer to evap some of the 1st bit of naptha but when I smelled that sickly sweet awesomness that is DMT I stopped for fear of vaporising it.

Any tips,, guidance etc is very much appreciated.

I did read the FAQ and a myriad of other threads and still feel I don't it all.

Peace, Love, Light & DMT!!!
PW

Mortis Nuntius, yes all dmt salts I know can be safely boiled in acqueous solution without any loss of alks


PrimalWisdom, make more cycles of mix/letting stand before separating each pull, maybe smaller pulls if you can separate them well, otherwise maybe evap half before freezing (or just try freezing as is, and if not much comes out, evap half and freeze again, and/or re-use the naphtha)

Do you know if Gramine turns into a salt in the acid phase of the A/B extraction? Perhaps the Naphtha wash removed it since Gramine is insoluble in water?

Im pretty sure gramine does turn into a salt in the acid phase. I think one chance of possibly removing gramine is doing naphtha re-x on the freebase. Due to its polarity it could be gramine gets left behind, while dmt dissolves in naphtha. This is all theory though and we need to do this test and get it analyzed to be sure. I would do it a couple of times.

If you do bioassay any product that might have gramine please start with ridiculously small doses and raise slowly the dosage, being attentive to different unwanted side effects

Gramine has a boiling point of 294C and SWIM has a MacGyver vape built from a digital, 1C accuracy soldering station. 150C is as low as it goes, but that should be ideal for safe use even if gramine is present. I don't intend to knowingly partake of any toxins.

SWIM will probably do a naphtha extraction first, followed by a xylene extraction. Do you know if calcium hydroxide can be reused? Could SWIM put the dried lime/alk in the vape directly?

I had a friend who did an A/B extraction using sodium carbonate and naptha. After doing this his yields were extremely low. He researched and found out that you were not suppose to use the two together. Could he just add lye to the mixture with sodium carbonate already in it and repull with naptha or would he have to use a different solvent and leave it sodium carbonate.

yes you can just add lye.. Its possible it will take a bit of stirring to dissolve properly because of all the sodium carb and other stuff in solution but just mix well and you should be fine Report back if it worked good

Can someone help identify this creamy stuff. 50g bark and doing straight toluene. this is from 400ml solvent in a pan evaporating. this stuff floats on top, while all the "reds" sink down.

This was not filtered, just as basic as can be. soak powdered bark in toluene overnight and carefully pour off into pan. When dry there is zero scent aside from a mild bark smell.

EDIT: in chat someone mentioned "lye soup", so i should restate there are only 2 ingredients in this stuff: bark and toluene. nothing else added, not even lye.