SWIM has heard a lot about how intense and vivid the DMT experience is, but SWIM's first (and second) experience with what she thought was DMT was quite tame compared with what has been described. SWIM drank and unspecified amount of a very foul brown liquid that she was pretty sure was Ayahuasca. The visuals that resulted seemed more like vague patterns applied to SWIM's surroundings or closed eyelids. The trip also had a great deal of introspection and a sense of SWIM experiencing herself from an "outside" vantage point. Time perception flew out the door, but any "visions" were still no more vivid than daydreams. SWIM was able to converse with another person in the room perfectly well when needed. SWIM felt very euphoric and comfortable where she was laying and did not loose contact with her body or surroundings. SWIM's trip lasted about 4 hours, and SWIM did not purge.

SWIM has reading what others say about DMT trips and she is wondering, based on her experience, is DMT what SWIM took? Did SWIM not fast enough? Was it diluted? Is this what SWIM should expect DMT to be like for her?

SWIM has recently procured some MHRB and Rue, and SWIM is wondering if she should expect anything different if she prepares it correctly...

Hi londana da verita,

I think what you experienced was an aya brew that was probably light on the dmt content and had more caapi in it. What you report sounds much like a good caapi dose with only a minimal amount of dmt.
If you get a stronger brew, one with more dmt in it, your experience will most definitely change. You can get anything from very strong visions, to feelings of enveloping light, to alien contact, as far as I know (though I never met aliens on dmt).

Personally I've only tried ayahuasca once and it was so week that aside from nausea I got nothing. This was many years ago. To avoid this from happening again I switched to extracts because in that case I know very accurately (provided my extractions are rather pure/clean, which I assume they are) how much I am ingesting. With a brew you don't know; you don't know how potent your bark is and how much of what was in it went into the liquid. And if there is one thing I don't like it's under-dosing...

However if you order mhrb from a trusted vendor, which you can read about in our suppliers section, the quality of your bark should be alright for making ayahuasca. Then it's just a matter of preparing it properly.

So yeah, I don't think dmt will be like what you describe, once you get a decent (for you) dose.
If you want to avoid foul brews, try extracts. The experience is said to be a bit different but it's most definitely worthwhile and can be very powerful, healing, transformative and wonderful.


EDIT: I forgot to mention - there is also vaporized spice that you might want to try. it is another beast completely than orally ingested dmt. When done properly you will most definitely lose contact with your body and the world around it. There is much to be learned from both experiences. I enjoy both greatly and always find new prompts in every experience, but so far I like the oral rout better for the duration and therefore the ability to emotionally integrate the visions/experience a bit better during the experience itself.

hope this helped a bit
cheers

Enoon

It explains a lot, thank you.

I'm also wondering, would the mimosa-rue tea be worth it in lieu of an extraction? My current home life makes lengthy extractions somewhat difficult, but a couple hours of boiling far more feasible.

well I'm sure you could get a decent experience out of a tea with those constituents. My problem would be the uncertainty of potency/dose in the end brew, but if there was no alternative I'd go for it.

good luck

Be carefull with the rue. 3 grams ought to do it. Sometimes people take 10 grams of rue and then complain about a hellish purge...

There is a good chance that a rue/mimosa combo won't do much and that you puke it all out before anything has had the chance of entering the bloodstream.

Just to be sure i would have a second brew ready in case this happens.

But do keep in mind that lots and lots of people have had amazing, life-changing experiences from rue and mimosa brews, myself included! Using adenium MHRB, I've never had issues or known someone who has had issues with the mimosa "not working". Properly prepared, 3g of rue and 1-2g of mimosa should be enough to show you the power of DMT; 2g in itself can be enough for out-of-body experiences, contact with entities, and entry into other worlds.

And to comment on the original question, the first experience you described could have even been ayahuasca without DMT (a caapi-only brew). I've had several experiences with caapi only, and they match pretty exactly the experience you described.

Plants of the Gods says that the most common dosage for mimosahuasca is 3g of Rue and 9g of MHRB. IMO, that might be a fairly potent brew, depending on your root bark quality.

You're trip definitely sounds like an Caapi dominant brew. Ive had an experience similar to that with 3g of rue and 1g of MHRB.