i have taken 2ce up to 45 mg and it was only then that the visuals really begain to get going...
however at this level there was tingling/numbness in my left side and extream audio desturbance such as loud metalic echoing.
2cp was much nicer to me physicaly
if u made it this far you are a champ, and although we may never meet you are also my friend.
S.R.