Hello there all, if you have read "the molecule knows best", and pt2 of the post, you would know that for about two weeks now, every journey, I am asked to go outside. Now, I have a spot in my backyard, with a mattress under a big tree, but it takes SO MUCH DISCIPLINE to force myself to stay outside!

I used to journey in my bro's room (wonderful feng-shui or whatevs), but now it seems as if those comfy bed days are over...Now everytime I journey, it's seems horrible unless I go outside...EVERY TIME...I don't want to though, the breeze is so much more pronounced, the sun hurts my eyes, there are flies and shit everywhere...I know its all natural, but I like to lay down comfortably when I journey, without the sun blaring in my face...I am being forced to do my journeying outside now...has this EVER happened to anyone else? WHat should I do? Suck it up and trust the molecule? Or try to insist on doing it inside? I really am at wits-end...

The same thing happened to me towards the end of last year's bout of spice usage. Inside equaled bad trips, outside was fine.

Given my experience, this could be a signal that your time with it is winding down. If you wanted to play it safe, I'd say take a break for a while, or you should be prepared for a bad trip. There could be one coming.

Also, are you using changa? If so, you could try switching up the blend. I had a blend once that only ever gave good experiences when outside, and drew the user out of doors.

Otherwise, I suppose you're stuck being in nature! It's the spice, how much control do you really expect to have?

Actually, I'm using freebase w/ the machine. As far as bad trips go, the molecule has never pulled any punches w/ me, so it wouldn't be too surprising to encounter a negative trip. I guess I would deal with it as I have all the rest.

And about the nature thing, I guess that's what it is. Maybe after a few outside, they'll be chill with letting me back in....See, it would make sense if the outside experiences were significant somehow, and maybe they are, but all I've seen is the cuteness of plants...lol..

what about night time outside, and put a mattress/some pillows and blanket to stay comfortable?

I've thought about this! Have you ever done the nighttime/outside combo? Staring at stars? What's it like?

It has been amazing. Sunset too, in nice nature settings, but I also enjoy inside. I think you should listen to yourself what setting you preffer.

Maybe its worth a try doing the night thing... Let us know how it goes!

Well, I'm just getting back from an hour long multi-dose session...I did it outside, but found randomness...The tree had a face, that which I did not like...there were people in the sky having sex...It was whatever, I enjoyed the nature today, but the lesson is hard to find within it, which leads me to believe there was no lesson to begin with...just random psychadelic enjoyment...I decided to go back in, and did some "love breathing" as I like to call it. ENdlessness, I will do it tonight! Will def post.

Bananaforeskin...why would this mean my time with DMT is winding down? Could you maybe ellaborate a bit on your views? I'm totally down to hear it out!

I think outside is the best . I mostly journey outside .
I find it good
To get as far away from man made things as possible .
That means everything . Nature is great pure environment
To journey in. It's not random at all . Mushrooms in my opinion
Are meant to be done outside.
I've lost count of how
Many profound journeys Ive had in nature . The message is usually
The interconnectedness balance and beauty of all things .
There are things to learn .

I didn't mean that nature had nothing to offer, I just meant today it seemed like randomness..Usually there is a lesson within, today just seemed like a "free day", which come occasionally...Regardless of my discomfort, I will continue to do it outside, trying different combos, like changa outside at night or something..I mean, like I said to the molecule, "doing things my way has led me into nothing but trouble...maybe you're on to something!" =)

Ever thought of taking DMT along with psilocybe mushrooms or (a) lysergic acid derivative(s) (LSD or HBWR seeds)? I've never taken psilocybe mushrooms but everyone seems to agree that they are meant to be taken outside so if you ate some psilocybe mushrooms and then smoked DMT you might be more comfortable. I do have experience with Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds but they seem pointless and don't seem to work if I don't go outside. One time when I was on Morning Glory seeds I felt that the daffodils were more conscious than the people I encountered because the people I encountered didn't seem to be people capable of thinking for themselves and they just went along with whatever the majority of people did (I went into a pub to buy a chocolate bar) but by comparison the daffodils seemed so alive and free and being daffodils I don't think they cared about what the majority of daffodils did.

Anyway if you want to be comfortable with going outside without altering your DMT trip too much eat a low dose of HBWR seeds and then go outside. Your view of outside should have improved due to the HBWR seeds, if it didn't then I don't think you ate enough of them.

I don't understand how you cannot like being outside in the sun. I mean if your out in your back yard and are surrounded anyways by other backyards, then maybe your not going far enough. I like going out in the middle of a field and meditating. The sun is like a light, a candle if you will, and as you journey it will flicker and come closer... until they open the box under it and you see the precious molecule in its true form....

This was the signaling of my break with DMT. I asked what it was, and they answered me very clearly.

Anyways, I hope you find what your searching for.

Yeah, unfortunately, I live in a crowded sea-side area, everybody's practically living on top of one another. I do like nature, and I know exactly what you mean about the sun being a candle of sorts, I experienced this one the day I discovered this little area of greenery...I suppose maybe considering I am in nature, with lots of little distractions, would taking a larger dose be the answer? I won't lie, usually I get one good lungful, let it out, and lay back...maybe I should go for the second inhale? I mean, I've broken through before, just never outside...

the title of this thread really made me chuckle ^^
What about doing pharma? That way, you have time to meander between different environments and see for yourself what each one has to offer.

Wow, Alzabo, I NEVER thought of doing it that way!!! I'm guessing I'd need an MAOi inhbitor...would I have to order these harmalas/caapi from the internet, or are there lesser known maois which are easier to obtain via real-life interactions? And once I consume the maoi inhibitor, I would drink a glass of roughly 20-30 mgs of spice dissolved in OJ? Honestly, how long would this last? How heavy is the journeying? Is it a bit more navigatable than freebase spice alone? Hahaha...lots of ?s, u see...

A lot of the time, when I smoke spice, I seem to get caught between dimensions/perspectives of myself...sometimes, everything will have a short, stubby look (including myself) as if my world had been transformed into a dwarf world of sorts...then sometimes, everything will feel very long and thin, with my surroundings taking on the same shape as I would...My only guess is glitch in perspective...The couple of more interesting times this occured, once, my dog was laying on my foot while I launched....I guess the physical contact caused my and my dog's consciousnesses to mold into one another, because all of a sudden, my hands were dog paws...only lasted a few minutes, but it was awesome...i stretched my dog fingers, and realized the paw is a lot more crafty than peeps would think..lol...Another time, recently, while outside, I launched by my pomegranite tree, and before I knew it, there were stems/leaves/flowers growing all over my arms....has anyone else ever experienced mixing of consciousnesses? Be it human, animal, or vegetation...?

BTW, thank you for the responses! Honestly, half of this stuff would have never occured to me! lol

My 2 cents:

How wierd that it keeps pulling you outside! Perhaps it happened 1nce or 2wice and now your psyching yourself out into thinking it wants you to go outside, but i didn't have your experience, theres every likeleyhood that it really is leading you outside... but why?

1 thing that stuck out to my is how UNCOMFORTABLE it makes you, and in your previous thread, you even said you broke down and cried once cause you didnt wanna go outside...
Perhaps your getting to "comfortable" with the spice, and its trying to send you a message that there is more too it than this and you need to leave the comfort zone,
because my interpretation is that you use spice very frequently (bordering on abuse, you said you did it almost every day) but you dont go for the whole enchilada, you take medium non-breakthrough doses, this resembles purely RECREATIONAL DRUG USE which in some cases is fine, but im sure ABUSING the spice can only lead to bad things, and less than terrific experiences....

just food for thought, i dont know your situation in detail, so i could be wrong of course

Harmalosa, I totally see what you're getting at, and I truly hope that is not how it is. I will not lie, the majority of the last 12 years was spent on drugs, and led me into an awful heroin and crack addiction, which finally stopped about 2 years ago. Since then, I've only smoked weed and DMT. Dmt actually seemed like a gift for getting my life back on track (was homeless for about 2 yrs) Hell, dmt actually got me to quit smoking cigs after 8 years. I thought I was doing fine until you mentioned that it sounded like I'm abusing the DMT. And I don't mean that in a bad way, Im just being serious, it made me think. Yes, there may be some qualities in my terms of usage that might point to recreational usage, but over all I feel that I give it its due respect. Paying close attention to timing and setting, I perform a cleansing ritual beforehand, using smudging sticks of sage and lemongrass/sweetgrass incsence, as well as breathing excercises and direction of intent. I've learned from trial and error what and what not to do under the influence of spice, and I thought I was doing quite well. The molecule does not seem to be manevolent with the outside lessons, just insistent. I do not travel everyday, in all honesty, I'd say every other day. I don't think it's angry at me or anything, I've seen it angry, and WHOA SHIT...lol...I dunno...Perhaps u may be right about me psyching myself into going outside...

Well, I did pharma almost every day last week. Every session was an indoors except for Saturday, which was done by the newly blossomed cherry trees.
Indoors/Outdoors is an important facet of the experience but I it's not something that I personally get too hung up on. Sure, being out in nature is great, although I'll often opt to do that sober and then trip out in the safety an comfort of my own home. That said, my best trips of all time have been while camping on a deserted beach with some friends.

Not like it's a contest between modes of use but I do prefer oral dmt over vaporized. My reason is that with pharma, there's more time spent in that state and less time spent getting to that such. ie. fiddling with a torch and piece, etc.

In response to recreational DMT use, i dunno. I don't find DMT to be habit forming. Quite the opposite, I usually need to spend a good time in mental preparation to intentionally convince myself to do it because I know I feel better for it and just might learn something about myself in the process. If I happen to enjoy the experience, which I usually do, that's just awesome of course and really doesn't detract from my personal health and growth.
The way I like to see it is that psychedelics are best used to find something, to experience something. It's when they are used to hide or flee from a problem(or otherwise neutral yet important task) that needs to be addressed, that's when abuse of the substance begins.

As far as ingredients and dosages for pharma, I made my own extract of peganum harmala seeds for the RIMA portion. It's super easy and cheap that way. For the DMT portion, I did spiceman's poorman's tek -- vegetable oil extraction and just stopped when I got to the acidified water part...cause now I have a solution of DMT fumarate and some harmala crystals. I used 100g of rootbark in the extraction and got 500ml of water out. Assuming an alkaloid concentration of 2%, that's 4mg per ml. I started experimenting with the mimosaroo (mimosa hostilis + syrian rue, lol) by putting on a kettle of water and mixing 5ml of DMT solution with 350mg of my harmala extract in a small glass cup with a bit of honey. The ketele boiled and I added some hot water to the vessel, stirring with my extra magic ceremonial licorice root until all the crystals had dissolved. The extracted crystals from my rue were not very pure so it's hard to tell exactly how much alkaloid I added but probably somewhere between 150 and 200 equivalent freebase weight. 5ml of the mimosa portion equates to about 20mg DMT but again, that is only an estimate. I could barely feel that amount of DMT. Since then I've been slowly working up to 40ml of DMT water and that's as deep as I intend to go for a while. When i start again, after taking a break, I'll likely begin working with 20ml (or equivalent of AT MOST 80mg spice). My intuition tells me that the concentration is likely lower than that, closer to 1 or 2 mg per ml but, it doesn't matter too much. That's why I started dosing low and continued increasing the dose to find my sweet spot. I also experimented with 300mg of the harmalas instead of 350 without any perceived lessening of trippyness but I feel like the extra 50 mg might add to the afterglow a bit. I'll do a more controlled dosing experiment on myself once I make a more accurate measure of my product.
Basically, there is a ton of pharma info out there. Dosage on everything seems to vary a lot between individuals, also some people take the RIMA before the DMT but I like to do it just like ayahusca -- mix it all together.
Here are some links for further info:

The syrian rue extraction guide from the wiki.
Not the only guide out there but a good one.
Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide

The pharmahusca sticky from the pharmahusca section.
It's stickied for good reason. I read it all. It's worthwhile.
Pharmahusca

Notes from my rue extraction and a couple pictures.
For the Love of Manske!

Yeah like i said i don't fully know your situation and you are apparently aware of its spiritual properties and approach with respect,

and i agree theres nothing wrong with enjoying an experience or having fun at all, thats awesome.

But i would still say perhaps if you used a little less frequently and higher dose, perhaps it would be better, perhaps not..

but like he recomended, if you have not tryed ayahuasca or pharma, that could definetly be the way ahead for you, its great!!

It's all good either way, love to you brother

Maybe this is just the molecule telling you to spend more time outside. Not just while tripping.
Do you play computer games a lot? Or do you spend your time indoors most of the time?

2-3 months ago I always wanted to go out and run and sweat when coming down from a trip. I felt like I just wanted to exercise. I've never been much for that but now I'm going to the gym 4 times a week and I also do yoga and I feel better every day. I had a lot of anxiety and that was the way to get rid of it.

Alzabo, sure thing! I'm gonna check out the tek today!

Harmalosa, you may be right! A break may be whats in order...I will continue to ponder this, I appreciate your thoughts!

Tripper, I'm not too much of an indoor nerd, I usually like to take my dog for a walk/jog before I journey, just to fill my senses with some "good stuff", but I will agree, I may be a bit reclusive...I don't excercise too much, and honestly, I don't eat too healthy either, so these may be some areas I need to clean up...