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damiana
#1 Posted : 2/9/2011 11:17:40 PM

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Where SWIM Is At
SWIM is still in the preliminary process of this tek, he is having some trouble getting LSA from HBWR seeds at the moment. SWIM's first attempt is posted below with revisions. Hopefully more Nexians can add to this as they start testing.

The Inspiring Idea
SWIM's initial idea was to take pure acetaldehyde and add that to pure LSA. The reason he wanted to do this was due to studies that showed how acetaldehyde can readily connect to the 2nd and 3rd ring of an indole molecule (see paper attached). And of course to end the debate on LSH for good.

LSA & LSH Adduct
Because LSA has this indole structure, we may assume an adduct with acetaldehyde would work under the correct conditions. These conditions include: the presence of ethanol and pH around 4, to name a few.

Now this is obviously easier said than done, but SWIM really isn't far from doing it.

Find Pure Acetaldehyde
SWIM's first step was to find pure acetaldehyde. He came across this.

Acetaldehyde

They are currently out of stock but you can find it somewhere else online I believe.

Extracting LSA
The next step was to extract LSA. SWIM based his TEK off of this tek.

LSA Extract

Now, SWIM did several different things then this tek says.

The NPS (Gumout Starting Fluid)
First, he found a starting fluid that was a different brand but had, according to both MSDS's, the same exact ingredients.

Heptane

Ethyl Ether (AKA Diethyl ether)
&
Carbon Dioxide

All of which, according to SWIM's research, are non-polar solvents.

The Polar Solvent
Next, SWIM used Acetone instead of Everclear, though he does regret it because he had to evaporate it all the way and was stuck with scraping up such a small amount of dust and goo that it was sad. He believes using Everclear would simply be easier to calibrate dose later on and be more convenient in general.

The Seeds
Also, SWIM did not use Morning Glories but rather 200 HBWR's.

Unfortunately, SWIM doesn't know how potent the seeds are and thus has no idea how much LSA would theoretically be in them.

Nevertheless, SWIM eventually scraped up some yellow goo and added that to water. This is not in the tek above, but helps to purify LSA even more. He then lowered the pH of the water to 4 using Lemon Juice. Then, SWIM added a shot of vodka (for ethanol) and a few ml's of Acetaldehyde.

This sat in SWIM's fridge for a day and was stirred occasionally.

Finally it was filtered and is now in his fridge. SWIM has checked it under Black light and it does glow. Smile

The Effects So Far (With Updates)
SWIM did this TEK a few times, twice with little to no effects (probably because the first extract had no LSA in it he assumes [due to a rushed acetone extract]).

A third time it seemed to work but was very light. Not sedating at all, rather it was indeed stimulating. Mostly a body feeling. SWIM thinks an increase in dose is all that is needed for great results, but has no idea how much is in the liquid so he has to guess on the doses. Sad

[(Added 2/13/2011)
A fourth time SWIM increased the dosage and gave it to a friend. He noted an obvious change in mind and body space, no strong visuals to name but certainly a lift in mood, stimulation and sociability, with no sedation. SWIM thinks an increase in potency here would lead to strong visuals and increased perceptual change. SWIM thinks he found the best starting dose. Smile]

[(Added 2/28/2011)
A fifth time, one acetone pull (~45ml) that was shook occasionally over a 7 day period was evaporated slowly without a fan or heat. Placed in water and so on according to the tek and was drunk by a large friend (230lbs) he said it worked but was weak. Mostly a body high that produced only 30 minutes of visuals. He said he got only slightly tired when the visuals came on.]

SWIM is really excited to see this TEK eventually become fruitful. With others helping we could make an easy and effective LSH TEK.

SWIM's Revisions

It is possible my NP soak stole a bunch of LSA from me, though very unlikely. Next time SWIM might try Naptha instead of the more mysterious starting fluid.

I've read, according to 69ron, LSA is not soluble in Naptha.

The other idea why I can't get LSA is because my seeds either are old (I happen to know they are 5-6 months old) or my acetone soak was not long enough. Everclear next time.

The TEK

Do this whole TEK using the least amount of light and heat possible (pretty important)

First, get your seeds and powder them.

Soak in NP solvent for at least 24 hours, shaking occasionally.

Repeat NP soak 1-2 more times (just in case, may not be so necessary). Discard NP.

Dry seed powder until they don't smell at all like NP (very important safety precaution).

Soak seed powder in Polar Solvent for at least 24 hours, shaking occasionally.

Repeat 1-3 more times (either add them together at the end or evap down one at a time).

If using everclear just evap down to a few ml's. Don't use heat or a fan, just patients.

If Acetone, all the way of course.

Take everclear and add some water to it. (If acetone, scrape goo and add to water/vodka)

Add Lemon Juice to pH 4.

Add some acetaldehyde, not sure, a ml or more (of product above) should be fine.

Place in fridge for 24 hours and stir occasionally.

Filter final liquid through coffee filter if needed.

Dosing
If final liquid is from combined extracts, dose accordingly. And be safe.

HBWR's have about 0.3% LSA by weight.

Start small, 500 ug to 1mg. Then 1-2mg and finally never more then 5mg of LSH.

SWIM will update this as new results come in. Smile

This TEK was compiled with help from many Nexians.

Thank you guys for doing the preliminary work that gave birth to this TEK.

PEACE
 

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Dudeonthecouch
#2 Posted : 2/27/2011 10:01:14 PM
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acetaldehyde seems to be freely available from chem supply as a 30 % solution.

Would methanol pure or 50% distilled water mix or 50% ethanol/water or vodka be suitable or preferable. Dissolve lsa into solution buffered to 3.7/4 ph with ascorbic acid (as anti-oxidant) and tartaric or citric acid mix? Stir for? 3days covered from light? Then freebased with ammonia and washed with NP solvent 3 or more times..NP solvent concentrated and dried, precip ala FASA style and filtered out and washed, or titrated with ascorbic and evaped, or hcl titrated (cats not hot on gassing)? To give clean crystals to be weighed and reconstituted for dosing/reseach/testing...

This is just a development on above theory, U guys think its worth a shot.. I could get some streetcats to work on getting some seeds for an experiment..
 
damiana
#3 Posted : 2/27/2011 10:09:16 PM

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Interesting. Though SWIM read that LSH is a very weak bond out of solution. It even breaks apart in solution in SWIM's experience. The first part in solution looks good, use 60%ethanol, 30 water and 10 acetaldehyde.
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Toastus
#4 Posted : 4/12/2011 10:07:49 PM

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Why can't it turn into Ergometrine? That's supposed to be a lot more stable, and yet very psychoactive. Isn't Ergometrine the active alkaloid from ergot?

EDIT: I'm smart, I was the one thinking that Ergometrine wasn't poisonous... I thought it was other Ergot alkaloids.
Disclaimer: Everything in these posts is based on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, rendering all contents of said posts null and void.
 
LandOfOz
#5 Posted : 4/13/2011 4:46:10 AM

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lsp. lsb.

stop wasting your time friends.
 
Seraph
#6 Posted : 4/13/2011 11:13:36 AM

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LandOfOz wrote:
lsp. lsb.

stop wasting your time friends.


What? Elaborate on your statement.
 
 
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