Hi,

After reading about DMT on the forum and the web for some time, I'm still doubting to try it out. I have quite some experience with psychedelics but I keep questioning if trying DMT is a good idea. The main concern I have is that it is a substance which normally is only active in your body while asleep. Difficult dreams can have aftereffect for a couple of days for me sometime so I imagine having this substance active while conscious could have devasting effects. Assuming the chance for a freak-out experience is quite real, how long can this effect your normal day to day life? I can't afford and don't want to be in a psychological crisis for months.

I had some freak-outs with high dose shrooms but these were actually beneficial and the next days I got even stronger mindwise.

Is the oral route like ayahuasca less mind warping than smoking it, and therefor less likely to cause long term mindfucks?

This is simply untrue. The idea of endogenous DMT being released by the pineal was just speculation by Dr. Strassman.

That being said, DMT is the first and only psychedelic I have tried (looking around though). I have had a couple freak outs on DMT, but I have never felt any kind of psychological crisis after the trip ended. Even with all of my beautiful experiences, I don't feel a "long term mindfuck".

I get a DMT "afterglow" the next day where I feel refreshed and awake (has anti-depressant qualities as well).

There is not much actually known about DMT as far as factual evidence goes you must be very careful as to what online articles refer to as DMT is a touchy subject and Im sure nobody wants to give off the wrong impression of it so everybody has there grand ideas about what it is and what it could be and where it takes you emotionally, psychologically, or spiritually.

In SWIM's experience DMT will make you think about things in a way different perspective but that's not to stay that just because you were a 2-dimensional being looking at things in 3-dimensions doesn't mean that you won't be able to look at things the same way again which in this analogy is 2 dimensions. I think the only mind-fuck is to infinity tell your self that this new information you've recieved contradicts reality and there for you start to believe that some part of your life experience is inconclusive or not real and you end up being "mentally stuck" or "mentally ill" as i like to call it. Ultimately I live by the following : that reality isn't wrong its my assumption that i knew what was real & what isn't.

SWIM will be brewing b. Caapi soon to see the effects and will let you know how it is.

In my experience any radical mental effects of a DMT trip are very short-lived (an hour? two hours?) In many ways it is radically intense, but equally brief.

And no, the aftereffects of aya/pharma are much more prolonged; aya can stick with me for a week in a very positive way, and the rue/mimosa concoction had left me feeling a bit fragile for a couple of days after a roughish ride (not bad, just fragile).

Thanks for the replies. I will take the plunge soon when I extracted some. Thinking in other perspectives and experiencing 'other' realities is something I enjoy. I think the oral route will suit me more even if it takes longer to process afterwards. Maybe I should join a ceremony but on the other hand I'm quite an introvert so this could possibly a bad thing to do. I'm curious about your future oral intake experience vs smoked Fly.

SWIM once had quite a disturbing and chaotic voyage that left him mentally quite shattered for many months. Although the first few weeks were the worst since SWIM couldnt figure out the underlying lesson in the voyage and couldnt integrate. But after he understood why he was subjected to such torture SWIM felt much better. In fact, hes never been stronger

a daft of carefulness and a heap of respect will get you far, were you here or in hyperspace

How did you eventually reintegrate, if I may ask?

Generally the real long term mindfuck is that of
Ontological shock . Asking what just happened ?
Or how is this even possible ? It's taken me a while
To come to terms and accept the ideas and the premise
These journeys can suggest . The result seems to be more
Questions than solid answers .

I must say having a relatively stable life with good friends and
Family has been key to allowing myself to venture deeper
And deeper into the "other
Realms . Balance is the true key to this.

Hard trips will sometimes stick with you for a while but eventually
They fade to a dream like memory causing no long term harm.
My more difficult journeys, while hard in the moment have actually taught me
To better respect and properly use this molecule.

Balance integration breathing set setting
Life is beautiful