First off I'll say, this is long and comprehensive but that is how I write.

At the bottom there is short summary of the post and what you can do to help in the conclusion.

A little about me:

I am in the following weeks getting an official diagnosis but I am 97% sure that I have Aspergers Syndrome. So keep that in mind, though reading trip accounts and discussing tripping with people I have found that MOST effects I get from psychedelics are similar or identical though some are different or even paradoxical. I'll mention more on this later but I hope this will be interesting to many, neuro-typical or otherwise and I am hopeful that my tests can help other people get better results from psychedelics and drugs.

The 1st effect:
The first effect that this strategy concerns I noticed after a while looking at my notes in my 336 page psychedelic journal (said I write a lot )
I read and remembered my beginning with mind-altering things with psychedelics (Mushrooms, LSA, LSD, Mescaline, DMT) but after using each substance for the 4th or 5th time it seem that the magic was all gone, I waould trip still, thinking weird, getting visuals and stuff but there was no "magic".
I tried and tried dozens of psychedelics and I would get that amazing euphoria with some one the first 2 or 3 times and I would not with others. Later I realize the ones I did not are the ones that were very similar to ones I had tried <4 or 5 times. IE: 2c-e and Mescaline, aMT and Mushrooms.

This loss-of-magic I'd heard about with MDMA and I'd heard that with psychedelics everyone's first time is special but for me it was like:
1st = 9.5/10
2nd = 7.5-8/10
3rd = 7 or less/10
4th and 5th = <5/10
Most reports lead me to believe most people are more like 1st is 9.5 or 10 and others up to 30, 40, 50 times vary from 7.5 to 9.5 (this is not including "bad-trips" which I've really only had on DMT and Salvia.)

This is different from many people but I suspect that many people do experience this on some level.

Once fact that I have seen which is paradoxical and I have yet to find an account of this effect from anyone else but me.
I do not experience pleasurable effects from serotonin release if I am sedated even the slightest bit below sober/neutral. I also do not get a "rush" from dopamine release when sedated below sober/neutral.
This causes me to have a very paradoxical reaction to MDMA. Since it is slightly sedating when pure (for me, and my roommate as well) I get NO EUPHORIA whatsoever from it.
I suspect this is due to serotonin release as well as serotonin production being sedating. 5-HTP which is a precursor to serotonin is a sedative and even a sleep-aid.

This may be part of or the whole cause of this, curiosity produces dopamine release and since dopamine is made from tyrosine and so is norepinephrine which is the main cause of stimulation and as the familiarity grows, curiosity is less and stimulation is less and pleasure is less or none.

I kind of thought this might be the case but recently I have discovered and effect that goes against this logic.

The 2nd effect:
The second effect I have observed is more subtle and took me a while to figure out. It is the fact that intial doses "from-sober" produce effects that conform to the diminishing magic and pleasure after 4 or 5 uses but redoses a time after (1:15 or more for me) produces "magic" effects almost no side-effects compared to from-sober doses.

My strategy to utilize this effect is very new and I've tested it 5 times and on 3 different substances so far.
The strategy is *Small-dose -> wait -> Main dose* or the "SwM strategy"
I've experienced consistant results with myself and I'm very interested to see if it can work or maybe be adjusted to work with neuro-typicals.

Tests that lead to the discovery and development of the "SwM strategy":

Note: times between doses will be notated as T=+15 or T=+1:56 or T=+48h for long periods notating the time between the current dose and the FIRST dose.
"+15 last" or "+1:15 last" will be used referring to time between current dose and last mentioned dose.

This effect was first observed with MDPV which is a Dopamine-Norepinephrine Reuptake inhibitor.

While many people have used MDPV is as a replacement for Methamphetamine and stay up for 3-4 days taking a gram or more on a binge and getting terrible comedowns with sometimes paranoia and/or psychosis.
I think my record is 35mg over 16 hours as well as never missing a night sleep I allow 24 hours minimum between doses and usually 48 or more. With that the comedown is extremely mild allowing for many tests to be done.

I gave a funny name to the effects with the dopamine rush. I call them "carrot" effects using the image of the doses before the rush as chasing a carrot on a stick and when the dose "hits" and the rush happens you "get the carrot" and as the effects fade the carrot is taken away.

Note: All MDPV doses are intra-rectal because that route produces effect in 2-3 minutes with effect same or great than insuffilated with no drip, no bad taste, a simple exit strategy, liquid measurement for <1mg accuracy/precision and using a 7-8mm wide medicine dropper is almost not felt at all.
Being a straight male who once tried anal from a girl and after 10 seconds stopped and then swore NEVER AGAIN!
"It feels like taking a shit, how the fuck could anyone like that???"

So saying it my preferred method for anything says a lot. ANYWAY... I digress.


Test 1 (5 or 6th ever): Done during a long sedative-comedown from .3mg Klonopin (Clonazepam).

4.0mg - T=0
2.5mg - T=+23
0.5mg - T=+31, +8 last
1.5mg - T=+38, +7 last
3.0mg - T=+48, +10 last
2.0mg - T=+52, +4 last
1.0mg - T=+59, +7 last
3.5mg - T=+1:27, +28 last
2.5mg - T=+1:34. +7 last
5.0mg - T=+1:59, +25 last

Results:The initial doses produced progressively greater and greater cravings clear from the 9 redoses. The state of mind is "moreish" and redoses were mostly out of confusion with the crappiness of effects when I knew I had gotten good effects from lesser doses and usually more producing better effects.
After the 5mg dose the "carrot" effects were achieved and the craving simply *STOPPED* and no more was taken for the rest of the night.

This was initially titled "the best of the night" effects with both the peak and comedown noted as BY FAR "the best of the night" it was later titled "carrot" effects.

To be honest the MDPV "carrot" effect while much better than non-carrot effect are not amazing. Even on "carrot" effects redose cravings are strong and side-effects of the comedown: Pessimism, fatigue and dis tractability as well side-effects of the peak and comedown until T=+2:15-2:30: Cold hands and feet,, inability to eat or sleep and temporary-ED which are forgotten/ignored during the peak and after each redose.
Also day-after effects are usually neutral or even positive with long-term abusers stating that after the comedown they had no negatives even using dozens of grams, since I am not even half done my first gram it is easy to make excuses for redosing.

My next few times I took MDPV on the comedowns of several chemical I bought after reading tons about RC's for my entire winter-break.
Most were un-impressive compared to psychedelics and produced sedative comedowns which I then only trusted MDPV to deal with. Now I have tested all of them and thrown out the lame ones, also I now use either Yerba Maté or 8-16mg doses of Ephedrine for comedowns instead of MDPV

Test 7: I theorized the "SwM strategy" to achieve "carrot" effects after reviewing my notes and did this test specifically for it.

3.0mg - T=0
3.0mg - T=55
1.0mg - T=1:09, +14 last

Results:First dose was typical from-sober effects as expected. Second dose was non-carrot like the from-sober dose but the 3rd produce 1mg worth of "carrot" effects on top of the 3mg non-carrot effects.

Test 9:
3.0mg - T=0
3.5mg - T=+1:15

Results: First dose was typical from-sober effects. Seconds dose was strong and pleasant "carrot" effects

Test 10: Having seen that 2.0mg doses had been very strong "carrot" effects @ T=+>2:30 This was to see if a second dose as 2.0mg would produce effects, Added 17mins extra as well having seen the "carrot" dose decrease as T= increases.

3:0mg - T=0
2.0mg - T=+1:32
2.0mg - T=+3:15
REsults: the 2mg did not produce "carrot" effects. The 2mg after 3:15mg did produce carrot effect though.



I've yet to test the lower limit on the initial dosage required I have used 3mg for MDPV which is a low but clearly felt dose for me.
I also do not yet know the upper-limit on the T= increase causing decrease of dose required
These are a summary of the tests I have though:
3.5mg MDPV @ T=+1:15 = "carrot" effects
2.0mg MDPV @ T=+1:15 = non-carrot effects
2.0mg MDPV @ T=+3:15 = "carrot" effects
1.0mg MDPV @ T=+4:04 = non-carrot effects
2.5mg MDPV @ T=+4:11 = "carrot" effects (quick 1.5mg redose on the above dose)

After some days rest I will test:
2mg then 3.5mg @ T=+1:15 (lower initial)
and if that works either
1.5mg then 3.5mg @ T=+1:15 (even lower initial)
or
1.5mg then 3.5mg @ T=+5:00 then maybe again at T=+7:00 until it stops working to test limit on T= for immediate-carrot from redose.

Like is said earlier the MDPV effects are not that appealing so I'm not in a big rush to do that.


More interesting tests of the "SwM strategy" on Methoxetamine and Methylone:

Anyway the info that is much more interesting and producing much better results are Methoxetamine and Methylone Tests.
I am hopeful that it will work with psychedelics like LSD, Mushrooms, Mescaline resin as well.

Methoxetamine tests:
Note:All Methoxetamine (MXE) are oral.
Effects are typical felt in 5-8 minutes and peak in 30-40 minutes on empty stomach

Test 1 (5th MXE ever): Lazy afternoon after nap when I was tired but unable to sleep.
20mg - T=0
5mg - T=+38
10mg - T=+58
Results: The effects were blurry and side-effect-y and non-enjoyable for a lot of the time, though they are remembered as "all good" for some reason, maybe very positive after-effects. Reviewing the notes they are clearly not though.

Test 3: As a "reward" from getting a bunch of stuff done, shopping, haircut, cleaning, paperwork. Was feeling great before dosing.
15mg - T=0
15mg - T=+45
Results: Produced a similar experience with lots of side-effects and not-enjoyable effects. Actually regretted it shortly after the second dose. Noted: "I'm sure I would have felt a lot better if I didn't take the MXE today..."

Test 5 (2 weeks after the above test):[/b] I did a test with SwM strategy.
15mg - T=0
15mg - T=+1:15
10mg - T=+1:40

Results:After the 15mg dose the side effects from the first dropped out into near-sober clarity.
The experience I described as "The dissociation of 35mg with the side effects of 5mg"
Just like with the MDPV the comedown effects were identical.

Methylone tests:
The following are a couple of my experiences with methylone (before the discovery of the SwM strategy):

Test 1 (2nd ever, all intra-rectal): Looked forward all week, done on Saturday morning.

60mg - T=0
35mg - T=+44
30mg - T=+1:19

Results:Stopped there because the effects were not very nice at all. Distractable and non-euphoric.

Test 2: 3 weeks after above, the weekend after the above I took Flephedrone and had quite euphoric results.
The next weekend I took Mephedrone and had similarly euphoric results. Had high hopes for this test, looked forward to it all week.

75mg - T=0
75mg - T=+19
50mg - T=+35
50mg - T=+1:01

Results: Effects were very euphoric, the most euphoric I had experienced on anything before that date but I'd now consider it a 7/10 as an experience.

I did it 3 more times (with 6 days minimum in between) with diminishing return on dosage.

Test 6 : This test started as a test to see if being on MDPV carrot effect could "kick start" the chems and allow immediate methylone-carrot effects like I experienced 2 times prior: Once on 35mg aMT then 20mg Methylone. Second time was on 35mg MXE then 20mg Methylone.
When that failed I decide to test the SwM strategy. This was before I did many of the MDPV SwM tests so the T=1:15 redose but I did know that the likelyhood increased and dosage-require decreased for carrot effect as T= increases:
50mg - T=0
55mg - T=+25
50mg - T=+56
50mg - T=+3:19
50mg - T=+3:32
50mg - T=+4:03
Effects from the first 3 doses were same as from-sober, lame.
The MDPV carrot effects made is a little ambigious because of it's mood lift, hence the redoses, but after the third I looked up the aMT then Methylone and MXE then Methylone and realize it was NOTHING like them.
The 50mg at T=+3:19 produced very subtle side effects, so subtle that the "whoa" that I always got from methylone T=~11min after dose/redose was not felt at all. I later realized that the "whoa" was completely from side-effects not from serotonin-release euphoria at all.

The experience was the most euphoric experience I've experienced to date and the side-effects were less than those of 25mg from sober.
I think I was nowhere near the max effect of methylone taken using the SwM strategy but shortly after the T=+4:03 redose I hit my limit and felt the "depletion" effect that I am pretty sure is either complete unique or very different to neuro-typicals.
I've experience this 4 times now and when it happens the serotonin-release effects are entirely replaced with STRONG norepinephrine release effects of mass-distractability, uneasyness, anxiety and pessimism.
The dosage (at least for me) was not too high and the depletion effects were mild.


Conclusion:
I will continue to test different substances using this SwM strategy and I very hopeful it will work with many other substances.
I know that few people use or even would like to use MDPV but using MXE or Methylone (MDMA would likely work the same) and the other substances I anticipate to have success with via this strategy which I will post as I test.

Though I am hopeful, I really have no idea whether this will work at all on neuro-typicals.
If it does I wonder if the timing from Small to Main does will be close to my timing of T=1:15 or more.
It could be much shorter, much longer. Maybe it is so short or so long that it is much less effective or even counter-productive.

I hope I get some willing people to test some substances. I believe the more familiar you are with it and the timing or the effects: Onset, come-up, peak, comedown, after-effect the better.

I'm sure you could make your own experiment. Thinking caapi or pure-harmala doses might be something to try.
Maybe several people have consciously or unconsciously settled upon specific redose timing for best results.

This effect is pretty subtle in some ways. I honestly was SHOCKED when I got such clarity in the effects from MXE using the SwM Strategy.
I honestly thought that the effects were okay and not that bad, just kind of cloudy and that I might be trying to do the wrong things on it and I'd get better effect when I found that.

Even if you think I'm crazy and this won't work cause you don't relate with any of my experiences maybe give it an open-minded try just for kick. You may be pleasantly surprised.

Summary of post:
I have Aspergers Syndrome and have taken dozens of psychedelics and found a "loss of magic" after the 4-5 time taking every substance.
I do not experience serotonin-release pleasure if I am sedated anywhere below neutral/sober despite serotonin definitely being released.
I accepted the "loss of magic" because familiarity with a substance led to less curiosity and surprise/shock which in turn caused less or no release of stimulating dopamine and norepinephrine.

I got bored of my massive collection of psychedelics not wanting another lame experience. But while testing a stimulant I discovered that after the "loss of magic" a magical experience like the first could be achieved by redosing 1 hour 15 minutes or more after a small but clearly felt dose (which causes lame-effects) with a similar or greater dose.
This strategy I title the "Small dose --> wait --> Main dose" or "SwM strategy".

I've tested this a lot and seen consistent results with MDPV redosing with the dose required for magic effects decreasing with the time after the first dose increasing (tested to about 4 hours or so)
The trick is that if it is redosed before "my time" or below the required dose the effect doesn't happen at all.

So I take 3mg MDPV then after 1:15 I take 3.5mg. I get nice magic effect.
But if I take 3mg MDPV then take the 3.5mg MDPV after 35 minutes. The effect are as lame as the first. As well the dose-required at a a certain time after the initial dose increases.
Also if I take 3mg MDPV then 2.0mg MDPV after 1:15 I do not get magic effect.

I've tested this with Methoxetamine and Methylone with similar much more pleasurable peaks with much less, almost non-noticeable side-effects compared to initial doses.

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this chemical induced euphoria - is an odd thing - idk if i just dont get it or what ?
i get anxious and over stimulated if anything with larger amounts of the common euphoric substances
the only drug induced euphoria i think iv had is thru hallucinogens - via understanding - that flooded me with pure extacy many times - but its for a reason- not just brain chemistry.

I don't think I can comment on Q21Q21's strategy too much because if it was me I'd be in a bad situation with this and I have experience with these substances... but what I will say is that there is a problem with all these strategies, messing with brain chemistry is one thing but in my experience this is all about context... MXE can have hallucinations and revelatory aspects on it's own, but these other substances are best used in the right context and not in isolation.. .chemically induced euphoria is not good, extending serotonin and dopamine can be useful in social situations, can lead to more openness and combined with dance/music can lead to spiritual experiences/other useful experiences [in the right context], perhaps MDVP could be useful for studying, but on their own, in isolation without context, I can't see them being that useful/dangerous...this is often how people end up with anxiety disorders/depression because the common use of serotonin and dopamine (what they're actually used for, their proper usage context) is subverted. I also wouldn't chalk too much up to asperger's because this kind of autism is probably very prevalent and the scientific literature/scientific consensus on higher functioning autism changes almost every week.

Definitely get that too and I so hope this works with hallucinogens too because while the methylone may have been "the most euphoric" I've experienced it is SO SO SO not the "best" compared to my 1st Mushrooms trip, 1st DMT breakthrough, 1st cactus trip and 1st LSD experience.

I took a SSRI today and while it was sedative and non-euphoric as I kind of suspected that led to me taking ephedrine and GHB on the comedown.

The SwM Strategy was clearly effective in both of them.
My GHB solution takes 2.5ml for stimulating effects, 5ml for about 70% stimulating, 30% sedative, 7.5ml for about 60%/40%, 10ml for 40%/60% and >10ml it is hard to stay awake.

5.0ml GHB solution T=0
2.5ml GHB solution T=+20
8mg Ephedrine T=+36
8mg Ephedrine T=+45
Ephedrine effects were weak and lame
3 days ago prior I used 8mg Ephedrine in the morning when my shower didn't help me wake up then 8mg on the comedown of a MDPV test and I only realized it was successful due to the SwM effect even after 10 1/2 hours.
GHB effects were typical, felt after 15-20 minutes peaking at 35-40min

16mg Ephedrine T=+1:36, +1:00 first Ephedrine
Effects were the same, quite lame. Since SwM has the main dose done after 1:15 or later, this dose after 1:00 not working was not surprising but very lame.

4.5ml GHB + T=+2:19
This time the GHB was felt in 4.5 minutes, strongly felt by +14. Normally I feel nothing until +14.
With the lame Ephedrine effects going it was hard to tell whether it was "better" or "worse" than normal but the quick onset is typical of "carrot" doses.

While the ephedrine dose I just took is being muted by the GHB which I didn't know would happen, MDPV and GHB synergize, anyway the dose while dulled came up over 4-8 minutes very quickly compared to <20 minutes on usual from-sober doses.

No I don't expect anyone to be excited and trying this out. This is just a discovery while trying to help the state of being sleepy as hell yawning once or twice a minute but unable to sleep from the SSRI effects. Glad that the method works on 5 out of 5 things I've tried though.


I'm probably going to test 4-aco-DMT on the weekend, can't do it too soon or else my serotonin will be too low to produce any "magic"

(Note for those who only read the summary, carrot effects are magic effects.)

Okay I didn't really feel like tripping this weekend so I did not take 4-aco-DMT. It was mostly that I was really worried that it being a tryptamine might make it go by different rule and also the last time I took 4-aco-DMT I was really sedated, yerba mis-fired for some reason, could be it was a "non-carrot" dose too.

Anyway I took some methylone and learned a lot having reviewed my notes A LOT yesterday.
I am going to test a tryptamine today which I believe many of you know:
DMT,

I smoked ~12-15mg and after 3 hours I will smoked some more.

You may be thinking that DMT does not stay in the system for 3 hours and this won't work. Well maybe.

But I have in my notes non-carrot doses of MDPV on an evening then 24:59 later (day and an hour) I immediately got wonderful carrot effects. Also 2 other entries from >10 hours later too.

Also I took 1/4mg of clonazepam then +19:29 later I took 1/4mg again and the effects were totally different, carroty

Thirdly I've taken 8mg Ephedrine in the morning then 10:41 later taken 8mg more and got wonderful effect which caused disappointment in me greatly when I took it again but 1:15 apart and got "carrot" effect but they were nothing like the other.

In fact I've found that the longer since a non-carrot dose, the better the effects/less dose required for great/carrot effects

Anyway I'll be writing out a more sense-making theory (still in progress like the one in this) with logical explaination after I try the DMT SwM redose in about 90 minutes *crosses fingers*

Well the test was extremely successful and wonderful in every way. Very similar to my first experiences with DMT!

I'm writing out the report now.

If you always get clear and very visual effects from DMT then maybe it won't work for you.
I used to think my DMT experiences were clear until I just talked to entities calmly and at the peak (20-25mg maybe, not breakthrough) without any worries or anxious thought/feelings which normally overwhelm my experiences with fear, regret, pounding heart-rate >120BPM and generally "massive intensity"

I neglected to measure my doses but having smoked DMT 40+ times I know that I seldom see so any entities, let alone the dozen or so I saw on this dose, until >20mg when I have strong OEVs and tracers and generally "very intense" feelings/effects.
On my +3 hour doses (maybe 10-12mg, then 20-25mg after 4-5 minutes I'd guess) I saw detailed visuals, entities who gestured or were around places/objects very symbolically but the intensity was <10% what I normally feel while seeing anything like that. When I opened my eyes I had no tracers or OEVs.
When I smoked enough to get mild OEVs the visuals were immense, rapid and entities were everywhere but anxiety was not experienced at all, mind was almost sober-clear and "intensity" was barely any more than the 10-12mg
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Whether you experience foggy, low-visual content and not-so magical experience sometimes or always seem to get amazing effects I would still appreciate anyone willing to try to replicate my test. You may even experience amazingness you didn't think possible like I did!

What you can do to test this is do the same. I have no idea if it works with anyone else.

1:Smoke 10-15mg DMT. Enjoy low-level effects. Take mental or written notes on the clairity, the speed, depth, any entities as well as gestures or symbols seen. Also note OEV strength if any, and thoughts/distractions of other things while your eyes are closed and feelings of euphoria, peace, fear, anxiety, etc

2:3 hours later smoke some more DMT. Maybe prepare 2 seperate doses of 10-15mg to smoke first as equal-dose comparison then a breakthrough, higher or un-measured dose to smoke after the 10-15mg.

3:If the effects are the same or ambiguious the second dose may need to be earlier or later. You should be able to try it later without much effect on the result. Generally several magical doses in a row slowly get more side-effects but even 4-5 in a row usually are still significantly better than intial doses.
If you need to try it earlier you'll need to try another day because the timing is based on the initial dose, not the most recent one.

It may be theat I'm weird and it won't work at all and just works for me (and other Aspies?)

Either way I'd appreciate any and all reports on side-effects, intensity at equal/similar dosages using the SwM method.[/b]

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I hope others can benefit from this and experience the best experience they can. Also any information of success or failure would help ease my curiosity and answer a question or two, while most likely bringing up many others.