A friend of mine made this video from the recent riot in London.
I don't live in the UK anymore and where I live there wasn't much or any coverage in the media. They try to hide this from us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_fnx4Tb7Jk

Wow, that was hectic. Thanks for sharing!

Sooner or later the U.S. will endure this same civil crisis. Blame the governments me thinks......i just hope this isn't a case for martial law :/


Much Love & Sincerity,

Perceptual Reality

Global Riots

Its only a matter of time....

I know how this feels, I've been in a local protest against the law reforms which worsened working conditions, specially for young people. At first people were peacefully protesting, but the police came and started beating people up totally disproportionately. This in turn made people angry so vandalism started occuring more and more. A friend of mine and his girlfriend got beaten up, I just got pushed around a bit but nothing bad happened.

Personally I think vandalism, breaking stuff and all of this only gives more arguments to the police, in the eyes of the common citizen, and there are more losses (such as the mess which someone will clean up, the material/ecological costs, the innocent and their personal property which can get damaged, etc) so I do not agree with it and dont support it, but at the same time I understand the anger that comes from all these unfair conditions and treatment. I def think it should be canalized in other ways though.

I think riots for the sake of complaining and reacting, without well made proposals for solutions reached by consensus, will hardly ever generate something good in the long term, but I do think that peaceful protests accompanied by other intelligent measures is a good way to bring attention to a specific theme.


Another aspect which I find interesting about these situations, is the psychology of masses, which is very clear in these situations, both from the side of the policemen (following orders, hiding themselves behind the uniform, ignoring their personal opinions etc), as well as from the side of the protesters, which also move in somehow predictable ways, masses moving in certain patterns, with the individuals that will be provokers and others that follow, etc.

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i've explained this to my wife, the reason media is so heavily filtered, and people are easily distracted by entertainment...to avoid mass panic.

the fear-mongering for the purpose of conditioning to influence public opinion, but also the controlled relay of information on major networks.

I fear we, the people, may lose this "war" if we don't inform ourselves. I've, too, tried to explain this to many, benz, but we can't help those who aren't willing to help themselves.

Martial Law - Food Riots Warning - Will we Listen?

These kind of images make me sick. I have totally no respect of extremist right and left clans. Not saying that all people attending the protest are like that but I think when violence against peoples private property is used, every self-respecting person should move away and not get involved.
If you want to protest do it in a peacefull manner and don't take advantage of the situation by molesting everything on your path. And if you do so anyway don't be a coward by covering your face! Real heroes which will change the world....

Good quality vid DMTripper- thanks for posting it.

What interested me about this was the salience of the early parts voice-over relating to fractional reserve banking which ,along with the commodification of money-when it is simply a means of exchanging goods and services- and the concept of creating money out of nothing then lending it at interest to Joe Public.Many people who are given this 'credit' are unable to repay it with the potential for really severe personal consequences.

Last week I was given a book entitled 'The Problem with Interest' by Tarek El-Diwany and I found it an excellent eye-opener on some pretty in-depth economic principles and realities.The author is a 'qualified' (ie got a degree) economist and I think his analysis although quite heavy, is very instructive.Its a coherent book and one I would strongly recommend to anyone (and I think this should mean EVERYONE who wishes to make this world a better place) who feels they have a questioning mind and doesnt just guzzle down the crud the mainstream press and institutions present to us.I think the ramifications of the dysfunctional finance system we have leave pretty much everyone on the planet affected and usually in a negative fashion.

I think that people such as we Nexians have a more enquiring attitude than many, but I sometimes wonder if we, by absorbing ourselves in these pleasant pursuits we choose to indulge in, are somewhat detached from the reality of the worlds power structures and their true pernicious nature.Beer and circuses.....

Rioting I think is almost invariably counter-productive and I cannot go with the concept of vandalism and trespass against what are just symbols of the times, the outreaches of consumerism and those invested with authority.People, educate yourselves, then speak from a position of knowledge which will give you much more authority and credibility than those who lob bricks and trash cars and shops.

It will probably depress you to know how dysfunctional the money-system is, but this is necessary as a spur for action to implement changes which will be for the better of humanity.

Thanks for the tip on the book you mentioned. Definitely going to pick that one up. Although as a financial consolidation systems 'expert' relying mostly on customers such as banks for my income, I'll welcome the day the current banking system will fall. Unfortunately this will inevitably go along with chaos.



I always thought the opposite of this and had the idea that most Nexians are even more aware of power structures and not take everything for granted they see at mass media.



Spot on!

corpus callosum,

when you realise that democracy is completely a farce and that Governments will do nothing but help large corporations steal, exploit and enslave their population,
you would see how senseless it is to vote better or engage actively in politics: It's an unfair game, like the Casino.
No one wins but them, allthough they persist a very elaborate facade to make it appear as if you, lower or middleclass civilian, have alot to say about it.

When you truely realise things will never change, because Politicians(Who form Governments) & Corporations have formed 1 single front and they exploit everyone who's not in their exclusive club.
They force everyone to give up most of their freedom to work for them, they keep raising rent-prices and evict whoever can't keep up to pay from their house shamelessly, they decide what we eat and how much we pay for it, they decide what work we can or can't do, they decide how much we may earn, they decide to lay you off whenever they need to save some cash, they come and take your furniture, television and electric guitar away if you failed to pay taxes for too long, taxes, something They made up so all civilians have to pay large percentages of their income to the government for unspecified reasons.....

Don't you see the whole economical, political system is merely designed to serve and protect them, the exlcusive Political-Corporate gazillionaires-club.
About 70% of all Laws are made to keep them rich and powerfull and the average Joe Middleclass, Lowerclass, unemployed, homeless or in any way busy with something other than realising how much, in reality, he is being exploited and enslaved.

London's Youth clearly understood that the whole system is an epicly fraudulous network; They don't fight because they enjoy violence.
They fight because they're desparate. They tried everything else but keep being opressed and ignored.

There will come a time, not long from now, when the craziest riots will ravage the streets of all Western European cities.
I'm affraid it's a nececairy evil if we are ever to transcend Capitalism and constant borderline Fascism.
If a government fears Revolts in their country getting out of hand they tend to suddenly listen and be alot more sympathetic and subservient to the people; Remember Hosni Mubarak slime up to his people promising all of a sudden to spend alot of money to improve their situation?

Unfortunately this crisis point seems to be the only time when Governments listen to and serve their people.
I really don't see another way to ever truely break free from this Fascist, Corporate prison society.
I'd love to chant Babylon down, but I like to be a bit more practical than that.
Off course if you know more peacefull solutions I am open to suggestions.

If the rioters would win, the world wouldn't change for the better.

The rioters did win in some places. The former soviet union and cuba are examples of what happens if the rioters win.

No matter how fucked up system is, people are still fleeing from cuba to the USA and not the other way round.

Violence is a very bad thing and though it may sometimes be justified, there are very strict moral rules that need to be obeyed in order for it to be justified.

-Never use violence against innocent civilians.
-Never use violence if there are peacefull ways of achieving something.
-Never use violence if the goal ain't worth the victims
-Never use violence if achieving anything is highly unlikely or when it will be counterproductive
-Never use violence when you cannot oversee the consequences.
-Never use violence if you can't stop it once it has begun.

No matter what you would achieve if you don't strictly follow such rules, it will be eternally cursed by the violence that instigated it.
Look at libya today: both sides see themselves as liberators of libya and genuinely believe this to be true.

Hate is never productive. Even if anger is justified, any world based on it will be a world of tyrants.

Look at it like this: life is like the mantelbrot fractal, some numbers only lead to zero and others spiral away from it in an ever evolving pattern. Every choice that would lead to zero is a dead-end, any non-coöperative choice leads to zero and thus goes against life itself. Only choices that include peacefull coöperation can ever be productive and can flower into something valuable.

SKA- I agree with much of what you say, and I too believe that democracy is a sham designed to give the citizens the impression that their vote counts- certainly this appears to be the case in countries with only 2 parties to choose from.I'm no political theoretician so I dont know what the answer is to this problem.

I think that to be a successful politician, it takes a particular set of character traits and attributes which I certainly dont consider wholly admirable.But every politician is subservient to varying degrees to his paymasters (eg corporate elites) who fund his/her rise to the dizzying heights.But I do sincerely believe that the constraints on any leader once they are in power are in part due to their 'debt' to those who paid for their ascent, but this aside, there ability to fulfill their pre-election promises often fails to transpire because it 'cannot be afforded'.The leaders of the Western democracies, having been elected to serve the people, are totally unable to do what they may wish to do because of these erroneous financial truisms which are accepted and not questioned enough.

In essence our financial system is entirely debt-based.Up until the financial crisis of 2008 when , here in the UK, the Bank of England (which is a private institution and not an arm of government) did have to print/creat a load of money to bail out the other banks/lenders who had screwed up, the bulk of the 'money' that existed was brought into existence by the other banks and was supplied to the economy through making loans to people.A loan is new money created by a flourish of a pen/clicks on a keyboard and is in no way money taken from any of the deposits it holds in its vaults.This loan has to be paid back by the borrower, plus interest and the interesting bit happens next.When the borrower pays his loan back- irrespective of how he has managed to find the money to do so- the money gets deposited into the bank and becomes classed as an asset of the bank when in reality they had created out of nothing (with the pen/keyboard) AND this then allows them and their accountants to state in their books that they have increased their 'reserves' thus allowing them to lend even more.And so the spiral continues.


The fact of interest being charged on this loan created from nothing has numerous negative consequences, not least of which is the need for rapacious competition between men and nations for the
securing of this commodity of money as each has his own debts to serve.On a more macro-economic level, this plays a large part in the obsessive need for 'economic growth' in order to get a bigger share of the 'pie' of money so they can make their repayments plus interest.This has direct effects on the economic aspects of for example, transport.How crazy is it that cars made in the UK for example get put on a large sea-vessel which has just unloaded its cargo of cars on a UK dockside, and then loads up cars to take elsewhere-and quite often to the place where the ship started off from.

It also has effects on the quality of many products that we buy nowadays- things are of lesser build quality and not expected to last as long as they could be made to do (with the technology and knowledge we have today), and its now 'normal' to just replace items. This is because each nation seeks to maximise its exports internationally, and needs rapacious consumerism to keep the myth of perpetual economic growths indispensability alive.

This post is becoming too long but I think anyone who looks at this system that drives all of our activities and has in effect made us wage-slaves, has many widespread effects which have a bearing on issues as diverse as food production, deforestation, third world debt and non-mutually beneficial desire to export goods-all because of the perversity of allowing independent institutions to create money which they dont have collateral for and then allowing them to charge interest on this...and if the borrower meets his obligations it simply serves to increase the banks ability to perpetuate and expand this iniquity.


Last of all, I think the only way to achieve a change in this criminal state of affairs is to understand how the system actually runs and then spread the word without becoming a ranting freak.Once your average man in the street gets his head around what the score is, he will be more inclined to have an aversion to the unjust ways of the world , and eventually when enough people are informed of this, the topic will become much more openly discussed.That i think will be more likely to effect a change over rioting, getting on CCTV causing mayhem and possibly getting arrested which would make your life chances alot harder than perhaps they need to be.

A relevant quote to end on-made by Lord Josiah Stamp ,fomer director of the Bank of England summed it up nicely when he said

"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing.The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented.Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin.Bankers own the earth; take it away from them, but leave them with the power to create credit, and with the stroke of a pen they will create enough money to buy it back again....If you want to be slaves of the bankers, and pay the costs of your own slavery, then let the banks create money".

I think we can solve nothing through violence, only through assertive peaceful action will any change come about that will have any worth or make a permanent impact...


Much Peace and Happiness

i am totally against vilence, in every way. but i fel that it is necessary, sometimes, but only in times of defense.

yes...i feel that something very big is very close. i'm not gonna go all conspircay theorist here but there are a lot of things adding up...

global inflation (especially what's coming to america)
the world wide weapons race and militirizng
riots
there are a lot of ther things i cannot post on here strictly in the name of preserving the Nexus attitiude (no conspiracy talk) but those of us who are keeping up with everything know that the tipping point is coming...soon!

either the government or the people will win but it will be one or the other, i feel. why did we give up our rights to another group of people? think it's time we take back our freedom. i, for one, have been preparing. things could get very bumpy here before long. i don't believe in fear mongering...only informing people.

seriously people...think we're playing? just do a couple hours research into the current world situation! the wars (current and those gearing up)...the world financial status (the dollar is expected to crumble this year)...like this is getting very hectic indeed! the men could very well get separated from the boys here before long. hope everyone is ready...or maybe nothing will happen. wouldn't that be nice? for things to continue down theor current path? ah...that would be grand!

"im praying for tidal waves...mom's comin' round to put it back the way it outta be!"

The problem with an economy based on debt is that it requires exponential consumption growth to sustain itself.

Take the US government as an example. With a stated debt of something like 14 trillion dollars (and you could also argue that there are debts not counted in this figure), it amounts to something like 50 thousand dollars for every man, woman, and child in the US. No more than half the people in the US actually pay taxes (since some are children, some retired, some too poor to pay taxes, etc.). So that is 100 thousand dollars per taxpayer. Now lets say we wanted to pay this debt off within ten years. Even assuming no interest on the debt, that would mean adding 10 thousand dollars to every single taxpayers taxes each year for ten years. Does anyone realistically think this can happen? Of course not. So instead, the idea behind a debt-based economy is always to have exponential growth. If 30 years from now people are consuming 10 times as much, then the same debt as a percentage becomes one tenth as much as it is today. Making the tax increase only the equivalent of $1000 a year (not pleasant, but doable).

The problem with exponential growth is that, sooner or later, you run into resource constraints which prevents it from continuing. Its like introducing a new species to an island where no predators exist. Scientists tell us that the number of that species will initially grow exponentially. However, eventually the population increases to the point where food becomes scarce, and the population growth gradually stops. What is left is a stable population. In the case of the island, nothing dramatic necessarily happens, because the species can survive fine at stable levels. Exponential growth is not needed for survival. With a debt-based economy however, exponential growth is a requirement as described above. But eventually, growth runs into resource constraints, just like it did on the island. The resource constraints could be many different things. Energy pops into my mind right away, but other resources such as water, food, etc. cannot grow exponentially for an indefinite period of time. So by simple laws of physics, a debt-based economy is not sustainable.

That being said though, a debt-based economy is nothing new for the Western world. It has been going on for at least 40 years now, and thus far has sustained itself. Eventually it has to collapse (or be drastically overhauled). But since the same argument could have been made 40 years ago, you might argue that we could go another 40 years (or more) without a collapse. Betting that an economic collapse is imminent is like shorting a high-flying stock. Everyone knows that the stock will eventually have to "come back down to earth". But shorting it may not be the greatest idea anyway, because high-flying stocks have a habit of being able to continue flying longer than the person shorting them can remain solvent.

So yes, eventually, the Western world's debt-based economy has to collapse (or at least undergo a complete overhaul). This may happen soon. But I wouldn't necessarily bet on it, or plan my life under the assumption that it is imminent.

elphologist

i agree. wanna start stocking up on goods? go ahead...but put today's life first. maybe a few supplies here and there. don't go raid your local walmart and spend every paycheck on guns, ammo, water, canned foods and gold. spend it on bills. normal things. any play money is fair game but you shouldn't stop living this life.

i think too many people get freaked out when they start thinking about this so they refuse to think about this. things always have to get a little worse before they get a little better...that's the natural course of things but you shouldn't live in fear of today becuase of what might be coming tomorrow.

yeah elphologist1...very good explanation of our economy. i wish everyone would really pay attention to it. i'm sure that the bulk of nexus members may not live in america so may not really be too interested in the brewing storm here but i think that worries transcend continents right now. these are defintely interesting times we're in...

Impressive video! It's obviously trying to glorify the 0.04% of protestors who came to riot though. While I have to admit to enjoying seeing the police looking scared for a change (and Prince Charles and Camilla getting poked with a stick every now and then), I don't condone violence nor the loss of the moral high ground through violence. It's also sad to see young people corrupting themselves with hate. It's a shame that the peaceful protest of 500,000 people (myself included) and UKUncut's non-violent non-cooperation sit-in were eclipsed by headline-grabbing violence. I think they should go and read some Gandhi and Martin Luther King. They got better results and also both got to sleep with lots of pretty women (although Ganhi insisted it was just to test his self-control- read his Wikipedia entry, it's a riot)

The western economies ARE collapsing, but just in tiny steps, and it's not a complete collapse. The economy has grown so complex that scarcity of raw materials has no immediate effect, but eventually the effects do kick in.
Nobody can exactly predict when and how, but that in our lifetimes we will witness a decline in the wealth of the common man is innevitable and it IS already happening all around us.
It doesn't nessecarily have to lead to a total meltdown. That depends on whether there are more underlying faults in the system, like in tunisia and egypt.

On itself i'm not thát concerned, since we will only go back to the standard of living we had some decades ago, and life wasn't all that terrible then.
What i dó find troubling is that our culture doesn't seem to be that able to deal with common economic decline. Solidarity seems to melt.

Currently, in many nations, especially in america, the leading politicians seem to be in a state of denial.
Actually, with the bailing out of banks, politicians only bought themselves some time to think about how to respond to changes that are coming.

That time has now ran out and there is no plan, vision or anything.

There will be the day people will give up on the banks and stop paying their debts. More and more people are able to see through the scam. More and more people can't pay anymore. Little by little this will reach critical mass so more will have the courage to give the banks the finger. That's how you protest and crash the system without violence.

But I think you will see a lot of violence before that happens. Especially in the US. Where you have a hundred million people with guns and an army of brainwashed soldiers working for the government. It's going to be ugly and I have the feeling it's around the corner.

i feel as though it's very near, too, tripper! very near indeed! everyone can make fun of me if they want but i'm getting ready. many people i know are, too. i'm not a gun person but i'm getting ready other ways. most of the people i know (weirdos and non-weirdos alike) are waiting to wake up one day soon, turn on the news and find out that the shit hit the fan whilst we were sleeping! seriously...the sense of urgency felt by those i know right now is recockulous!

nexians and the rest of the world can call me crazy! i don't care! they won't call me crazy when once the system crashes. i'm ready to go off the grid at any moment. it is overwhleming when you think about it, though. the end of life as we know it could come at any moment. and no i'm not calling for a mass murder...just saying that if the system crashes...most people won't know how to make it. they won't be ready. life will get very difficult for a few years.

like polytrip said...it will more than likely just be a drastic decline in standard of living. i mean hey...how will there be enough money once the people stop giving their money to the banks? like you said tripper...once critical mass hits...it will get very interesting. the idea of gun owning retards "defending" themselves from the mindless military drones is very unnerving. i don't wanna be a part of that society!