I happened upon my first 2hr xylene soak on 100g san pedro chips,
via 69ron's d-limo tek, in my shed.
Without salting materials (not wanting a goo via vinegar), would it be possible to evap the xylene itself? It may end up a goo, but it would be one step removed from the acetate goo.

Can anyone attest to consuming FB mescaline, or is salting a must?
Any ideas are welcome, just throwing this out there.


edit: still safely inside glass jar, I guess I hid it too well

Why not use HCL? What you'll be left with after cleanup will be waxy crystals, not goo.

Freebase mescaline isn't ideal as it's not meant to be all that stable when exposed to air (or so I've heard).

Also, if you evap the xylene you will be left with a lot of plant oils and goo, hence a very impure product.

I always use hcl.

After reading your comments, I skimmed the cactus section and saw narmz's mesc fumarate thread halfway down the page /facepalm


I'm going the way of FASI, since it'll salt directly out of solution.
Thanks soulfood & mr van d'lay





a mod can delete this thread if s/he has the time.
thanks

does vaped tmepea work? or is it uber toxic like vaped mdma and some other pea's?

lol google is my friend






First of all, weather something can be smoked depends on its melting point, and then its boiling point. Some things have a boiling point too close to the point they burn as a salt (Decomposition point), hence the freebase of those molecules will vaporize before burning. Cocaine is a good example.

Meth is another example in the opposit direction, meth HCl can be smoked because the hcl salt vaporizes at a reasonable temp (it also dissociates into freebase meth and HCl midair).

Meth oil boils at right around 190c @atm the hcl dissociates at this point into the freebase so that probably is why it can be smoked.

In addition, some chemicals break apart at certain points on the molecule with excess heat, so that destroys them and makes smoking pointless.


As well, most phenethylamines have boiling points fairly high.



the boiling poing of 2CB base is around 320c @atm

The boiling point of mescaline base is around 350c @atm

The BP of 2ct7 base is around 390c @atm



Amphetamines typically have lower boiling points.....

the BP of amphetamine freebase is 200-203c @atm

The BP of mdma base is around 290c @atm


Typically the salts have higher boiling points as well as higher melting points, most of those are an oil at room temp. Some things decompose before they ever vaporize, you will never get 100% of something if you vaporize it, ironically orally is more efficient in that you are consuming 100% of it, and other than metabolism its all active.

@ LandOfOz : I dunno if that post was directed towards me or not...


I was wondering if I could eat the FB, not vaporize it. I dont have any HCl, and wasn't aware that fumaric acid would work.. didn't want to end up with a goo from an added step (salting with vinegar, separating, evapping VS. evaping straight xylene, maybe a quick wash?) if FB would evap to a goo anyways.


If I didn't happen to order fumaric acid just to have around (and IPA),
I'd end up having to go find some HCl...

Just me being lazy

just evaping the np will result in fb, but it will rapidly degrade to carbonate form, which is a solid.

When you say 'degrade', do you just mean to reference the chemical reaction happening or is the word related to a negative effect in terms of activity too? Is carbonate less active or more unstable ?

I think the idea is that the freebase form will gradually react with carbon dioxide to form mescaline carbonate (which is active, according to people who have pulled with carbonated water instead of vinegar).

Acetate goo would be very preferable to xylene-evaporated cactus goo, if I had to guess.

Your'e right, i should have worded that more skillfully..

yes, the fb will react with the air to form the carb. if you let the oil dry out, this has likely already happened/


iirc the carbonate is a big mole, so it takes alot more than say the hcl salt for same effects
the actual figures are out there some where, but i have little real experience with carbonate form

carbonate form is reputed to be just as stable as any other as far as i know

evapping the np into what ever form is very dirty regardless, even direct salting like gassing with hcl is fairly dirty too




yes i agree