I dont think theres anything wrong with 'conspiracy theorys' per say.
A topic might be stupid and without foundation, and if that is so then it shall be revealled when proper conversation is exercised.

Thus you get a dose of truth and the action of free discussion without the suppression of intelligence or valid material.
Whats the problem?

Maybe the problem lays within people not being able to listen, read or accept legitimate information due to some strange mental skulduggery.
That very skulduggery is whats allowed us to get into such a planetary crisis.

The theory's are not the problem. Its communicating with each other that we need to brush up on.
A conversation is only valid if there is an exchange of information. It doesn't work if the flow is one way.

Just my 2c, feel free to criticize me.

Why do people keep bringing up this censorship? If you would have read the reasons why no CT's are allowed on the DMT-Nexus you would have seen that there is no use of the word censor and there is no reason given that even remotely looks like censorship.

If we would follow your allow anything route then you should know where this can lead to. Even not allowing one simple thing is already censorship, I wonder if you gave any thought to that?

According to your, in my opinion pretty hollow, phrase this would mean we should allow everything, including things like: trading illegal goods, dateraping, driving under influence, snitching on people, etc. Without limits there is no stopping it.

The DMT-Nexus is for talk about DMT and, to a certain degree, other entheogens. If you would like to discuss CT's then you are as free as ever to do that, there are lots of websites out there that have that idea as the main theme.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Not to mention PMs and chat... Come on guys, do you really think this qualifies as censorship? Conspiracy theories are just that - theories. There are a million outlets for those type of theories. If you like this place as much as I do, you have to tell yourself that maybe this site isn't like others because of a few easy to follow and not restrictive or exclusive rules that keep it that way. Conspiracy theory debate invariably brings out the worst in people, and I like the philosophy of this site as it is - to bring out the best in people. And anything that is an obstacle to the realization of that philosophy has no place here.

Debate is good. It challenges us to defend and solidify and challenge our own positions, and to learn from others in a respectful environment. Debate based on dogma and hearsay is not true debate - it is a dogma fight. And dogma fights, being messy and unresolvable and circular, teach no one anything and create a hostile atmosphere and IMO are better engaged elsewhere.

JBArk

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Are you serious? On what are you basing this? On its popularity here? pretty weak allegation - you're really not out to make any friends, are you? sheesh... talk about confrontational...

Unless that was humour. And if it was, may I suggest, given that no one can intuit your tone from letters on a screen that you employ the emoticons on the left side of the area in which you type? They help distinguish arrogance from humour, confrontation from playful debate...

Guess I overreacted then. Very tired today. My apologies. But use the emoticons!

JBArk

is this thread the ultimate conspiracy theory?

I guess I see the joke here: I merged elru's thread where he complained the GVG did not work for him with the generic GVG thread. Not to stop him talking about the GVG but to keep all the GVG talk inside one thread.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

I could be mistaken but I believe that elru is a she.

Oh really? Whoops.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

yumm..i want a peanut butter jelly sandwich!!

Peanut...peanut butter (and Jelly!)

That explains a lot! hehe


(This was a joke with no hidden meaning or nothing.)

What exactly is wrong with discussing dreams? Sometimes that is the only access some of us have to the astral realm. It is my belief that dreams and DMT are intrinsically linked; I am certainly open to debating the validity of that view, but why link dreams to CTs?

Benzyme means the types of threads (thankfully now eclipsed!) that theorise that dmt is physiologically involved in the process of dreaming.

I agree. Most of these Theories are what a friend of mine would call Fear-porn. Endless speculations uppon speculations.
Allthough grimm, I find the Zeitgeist documentairies to be very factual and educational.

But the tricky part is that there ARE many Political/Corporate conspiracies, especially regarding the Topic "Drugs" under which DMT falls.
It makes sense discussing the legal situation of drugs and the reasons behind the war on drugs. But going there would lead you into what can only be called a conspiracy.
A conspiracy of large Pharmacuitical corporations & corrupt politicians to Monopolise certain drugs and stamp out the production, distribution & possession of certain
other drugs that are difficult or outright impossible to monopolise.

I don't think it's reasonable to make that problem, which al DMT-loving Nexians face, forbidden to discuss.
If we are to ever solve the problem of the Drugwar, we are to find out the root of the problem first.
Informational documentairies and discussions on this topic can help people better understand the motivations and the core of the Drugwar.
I wouldn't like to see such documentairies and discussions to be censored here on the Nexus.

Perhaps you could exempt posts of documentairies & discussions about the motivations at the root of the war on drugs, because this may help to understand
how we can solve this problem. But by all means delete topics about Speculative Nonsense, Fearfull paranoyac theories and completely unfounded assumptions.
This belongs to the world of mis-information and paranoya & fear-propaganda.

But don't you reckon the way Zeitgeist explained the workings and problems of the Monetairy system was very factual and grounded?

There's conspiracy FACT and conspiracy THEORY and people often fold fact into theory, obfuscating truths that need not be. Remember the distinction and there's NO need for conspiracy theories at all (and we can still discuss the pharmaceutical industry's stronghold using facts and statistics that are easily obtainable).

The FBI assassinated and falsely incarcerated the leaders of major political parties in the US. This is conspiracy FACT.
The CIA was involved in weapons for drug deals (Iran/Contra) and then turned around and dumped those drugs into poor, Black urban centers. This is conspiracy FACT.

The US government adds fluoride to the water to calcify your pineal; thus inhibiting pineal production of DMT. This is conspiracy THEORY.
The Air Force utilizes "chem trails" to spray biological agents at high altitudes in order to harm or control the American populace. This is conspiracy THEORY.

(please do not engage either of the theories I used as examples. I am not opening the topics for discussion, merely using them to illustrate a dividing line between theory and fact.)

As to "Zeitgeist"; while they make many relevant and valid points, the entire video has an agenda as it is a publication of the Venus Project. While the Venus Project may sound magically delicious, my problem (that they don't answer in their videos or publications and that no one on this or other sites has been able to answer yet) is; they provide no mechanism of action. Society collapses and then the Venus Project magically appears out of it. This is the gist of what they allude to happening (and if you pay attention, they tiptoe very carefully around the society collapsing part). To my mind, it's a great ideal to strive for, but it lacks any sort of foundation in the real world as it ignores both the collapse and what that entails as well as the actual implementation of the VP.

My personal opinion on The Venus Project stance of the collapse, and I could be way off track but it sounds reasonable in my mind...

Basically, the more awareness we bring to The Venus Project, the less likely people will riot since they know about a better alternative. The current status of the Spain protests are a great example of this. The people know what they want, and more importantly, what they DO NOT want. I don't want to spoil the latest zeitgeist, but the very end of the film shows the outcome I think they wish to see.

To my mind, that is not a mechanism, but a hope. It does not cover creating the infrastructure or the foundation, it does not present an answer to the question of "How do we transfer?" You can't transfer to a "better system" without having a blueprint for creating that system and that is what I am saying has been omitted by them in their various PR campaigns. Additionally, while I agree that the gains on in Spain are promising and potentially even uplifting...it's a far cry from the situation in America, imo.

If people wish to continue this discussion, I will gladly create a new thread for it, but for the moment, feel free to reply here

I think there should be a section devoted to conspiracy theories. Its obvious that these topics resonate with a lot of members.

If you think about it every thought about reality that you have is just a theory, anything beyond ' you are ' is all theory. All these laws of reality that we keep making always end up getting broken anyways .

Thats what Dmt has really shown me, that we don't know anything for sure and we need to keep searching.

I for one love hearing what other Psychonauts think about these topics because we have a very liberated consciousness compared to most people that would inhabit a typical conspiracy forum .

I would normally agree to opening topics for discussion, but all I ever see as the result of CT talk is anger and hostility towards those arguing them because it is very difficult to discuss the issues with logic and reason. I would have to vote a BIG NO as this just derails the stated goals of the DMT-Nexus.


There's a big difference between 'very liberated consciousness' and failing to base arguments on reason and fact. As someone once said, "It's good to have an open mind - but no so much that your brain falls out."