I'm realising now that smoking DMT on MXE a couple of hours after the peak does very strange things.

I've smoked DMT just before, at and just after the peak and all it seems to do is bring a visual aspect to the dissasociating MXE vibe. However if I leave it until the MXE is just trailing, then take a healthy hit of DMT, something very strange happens.

At first I feel the DMT a little, then usually about 1 minute after I put my pipe down, the DMT continues to come on much stronger. The effect is not like either MXE or DMT, though it does share some visual aspects with DMT, it's much more chaotic and longer lasting.

This has got me thinking that maybe after the MXE has had its main effect, it degrades into something else, not too unlike an MAOI.

Some of you may recall this thread:

SMACK MY PANTS OFF!!!!!!

After this experience I specualted that it must have been the strength of the chaliponga/harmaloids that contributed to the madness. However last night I got the same effects off of just smoking DMT after MXE, once again with full on audio/sensory hallucinations. This is almost an effect bordering on delirium, as I recall telling these voices to "shut up" as if they could actually hear me. It's quite a stressful experience and seems to last a fair bit longer than DMT vaped on its own.

very strange soulfood..ive only smoked dmt on mxe twice...and both times i do it pretty much right at the beginning of the peak...and has always been very dmtish

I also just realised that both times this happened was during sessions where I redosed rather than sticking to one.

I don't know how relevant that could be, but when I've dosed just once and smoked DMT, this strange occurence didn't... occur.

What would be a good oral starting dosage for this for someone without tolerance (no prior ketamine usage)? SWIM is interested in this chemical, but would only want to check its threshold effects before going deeper. The therapeutic potential as detailed in this thread seems very intersting.

start as low as possible...like less than 1mg...but thats just safe..you shouldnt feel anything at that dose...

I came across some of this (a gram) in January. It truly a wonder to me that such novel chemicals continue to come about. Anyway, having a gram I found was too much as the first time I stuck my head right into it - I was sure I discovered some ultimate synchronistic life secret and continued to go back to find that the only secret there was the blissful opiate effects toward the end aha

One I would definitely try again though.

One thing I feel I should mention is that I smoked cannabis a few hours after coming down off methoxetamine (still on a nice afterglow) and it was quite frightening... bizarre sensations in the brain etc.

My friend is quite into his dissociatives and cannot smoke weed any more due to paranoia - so I see a connection

I definately get what u mean here. Me and a friend smoked cannabis after a 70mg mxe dose. At one point we were walking through his hallway to enter another room and switched the light off. I was so disorientated that I went to switch the light back on, couldn't find it and then ended up in another room at the other end of the house before I found the light switch. Quite an adventure.

I do find the overall synergy quite interesting though.

I still feel pretty stupid at turning the bloody light off in the first place! Still, 'tis another funny chapter in the great book of 'Cups and 'Food - and what times we have had


Still... after smoking the cannabis, I got some really nice visuals and had quite a fun and giddy time once safely situated in my bedroom. Before getting to my bedroom it was all so confusing - especially since just before smoking the joint I really felt like I was sobering up quite nicely, had complete coherent thought and could co-ordinate all of my movements without any problems. After smoking... well, I guess it felt like the MXE had kicked right back in but with pretty strong hallucinations in the mix too. I got so damned paranoid about making too much noise and waking people up!

This is just my experience with 15-35mg doses but:
0-8 minutes: Nothing (full stomach: 0-20 minutes)
8-40 minutes: Come-up with dopamine rush as well as dissociation (full stomach: 20min-1.5 hours)
40min-3.5 hours: Dissociation without dopamine rush
3.5 hours-6.5 hours: Comedown - Mild sedation and lack of motivation.
6.5 hours to like 14-17 hours: Stimulation and "get stuff done" motivation, very nice
17 hours to like 25-29 hours: Mild sleepy-ish sedation with slight lack of motivation compared to sober.
~30 hours: Baseline.

Sound similar to anyone???

What route of administration did you use? I'm considering ordering some methoxetamine but most reports I've read say about 2-3 hours.

Oral
Edit: Also the dissociative effects only last 3, 3.5 hours and are like <30% at 4 hours and <15% at 5.

Just swallowed.

Ah that's what I thought (since you mentioned stomach). Did you hold it sublingually or just swallow it?

Ya know what? I'm gonna stop saying this whole "I have this friend yeah?"

Well It's Cups

Damn you Elbowcups!! You fucked up my life!

Just to chime in with my experiences of MXE...so far I must say I'm impressed. And I'm not really a big fan of dissociatives, I've had a few interesting and fun experiences with ketamine, but I definitely prefer the psychedelics, tryptamines in particular.

I prefer it to ketamine, I find it warmer and much more sociable, I think it has a lot of potential. 30mg oral was a powerful experience, warm and mushy feeling, friendly and also more malleable and user friendly, and definitely longer lasting than ketamine, at this dosage anyway. Some interesting perspectives and thoughts. Really like the oral route though, appreciate the suggestion. I did snort a little line, it was completely painless, almost like I hadn't snorted anything at all until the drip, and it prolonged effects.

I also tried a lower dose, 17mg, and again, was very impressed. Really pleasant at this level, I actually used it as a study aid, which may sound odd, but I was in the lab preparing samples with my ipod in, was great at this level, wouldn't have wanted any more than this, but was very content and meticulous in what I was doing. I got a lot of stuff done that needed doing.

It is interesting as there is definitely something slightly Iboga-esque to this chemical. The afterglow, for me anyway, is a revelation unto itself! I feel focussed, clear, and calm, kinda Zen like. This state of mind, right now with the amount of uni work I need to do in a very short space of time, is very welcome indeed!

So, it's early days, and I know this is an RC, but it stands alone in my experiences so far. Definite potential with this one.

Awesome

Just for the record i have used k around 10 times in my life and none of those times were recently.
I agree with everything you say... but remember k is psychoactive, and in a sense nothing is good/bad.
PS. I cant even imagine right now what trying to dance on k would be like?!?!

Bancopuma..that is exactly how i have been experiencing MXE..it most CERTAINLY has iboga like similarities..and i personally feel this stuff is absolutely amazing and amazingly useful..and the oral route is soooo much kinder i feel

i feel really lucky to have been able to use this stuff..its really nice

q21, I pretty much agree with your timeline. On a single dose the dissociative effects come on around 15-20 on empty, another 20 minutes if full belly. And last for about 3 - 3.5 hrs after ingestion.

I like the high, some TV I can handle, some not. Not really un motivated, but purposeless sometimes yes. But the afterglow, usually starting about 6 hours after ingestion, bout 2 hours after main comedown, this time period has me dancing through store aisles singing, if I'm around this house I'm working the garden or cleaning. It's real nice for sure.

I would love to have taken some (15mg?) of this on a monday or friday morning at my old job.

Soooooooo...

Who's read Brave new world?

I think we have a good candidate for a Soma holiday here

Don't take this too literally, but there's definately some smoke in this fire.

This was mentioned on BL also... to which I replied, obviously I don't think MXE is huxley's soma, but what's amazing about the stuff is that it eludes to the possibility of such a thing...