Lower levels can be good for socializing.. not in an MDMA kind of way though.. It helps if everyone is on it.

Higher levels I like to lie down with something covering my eyes in the darkness while listening to music. There is definite "magic" that happens with higher doses.

This is a very special RC with a lot of potential. At one point I was using it daily but these days I dose maybe once a week without any fiending. It isn't addictive in the classic sense. It is a thoroughly enjoyable experience, but I have no compulsion to overuse. I have much respect for this tool. Very therapeutic.

That's so strange, the 2c's for me are so much more clear than mxe. The word salad example you gave is almost the exact opposite in my experience, 'tonamnwaaaeff' is a perfect representation of what happens to my language centers on mxe, while the 2c's have basically no impact whatsoever on my speech or ability to arrange thoughts.

Anyhow, i guess it just goes to show that different people experience vastly different effects from the same chemicals.

MXE... It's soooo much cheaper than a Psychiatrist

Hell I'm just going to come out and say it.

I mixed 150mg rue extract with 60mg MXE. It's now the next day and I'm fit as can be with no negative after effects. I dosed the rue first, orally, then took the MXE intrasally 10mg's at a time as not to run into something I couldn't walk away from too quickly.

I wouldn't say the two synergised, but they definately seemed to overlay eachother without crossing too much onto eachothers turf. MXE headspace, harmala tracer visuals with that classic calming effect.

I wrote an email to a friend about what I was thinking at the time. The more I wrote, the more came out. At one point I was actually in tears, as if crying for something I should have cried about and got over years ago.

I won't write up a report for the nexus to see as it's all very personal shit, but man did this get some serious demons put to rest. Real deep down childhood stuff.

New man today...

again

I was initially quite interested in MXE, but after an evening of experimentation I really am not sure.

After an initial play and after a final dose that was perhaps slightly too large I think that ending up in an m-hole is not really very comfortable at all. If I have another session with MXE I will be staying away from doses that will get me anywhere close to that point.

My session left me with a foggy head that still persists a day and a half later, which I find quite worrying indeed.

Be careful with this stuff!

I have done some experimentations with mxe for the last two weeks at various dosage (usually 20-50mg, once 100mg, orally) and while I wasn't overwhelmed by its immediate
effects (I never got this "magical feeling" that some people talk about) I greatly enjoyed the afterglow and new reality-tunnel it brought me. I think it may have great therapeutics
values however I sensed a dark-side it may have when taken too regularly, that's why I've chosen not to take any more for a few weeks/months. I think that if treated with respect
this chemical can be a very powerful tool.

I strongly agree with the posts relating to the therapeutic potential of MXE but ,IMO, this compound will only continue to be of value if used infrequently.This will also prevent unnecessary dosage escalations.

Dissociatives have not tended to provoke anxiety in me but the last time I took it, I also took 4mg diazepam with it (because it was there, more than for any other reason) and this had the effect of really giving some valuable introspective insights.Paradoxically it also made it feel a little frivolous too but this didnt detract from its value.It really is a special compound and I can appreciate why some may be inclined to take it on consecutive days but I fear this will lead to diminishing returns and a far-reaching drawn-out tolerance if pushed too hard.

i'm not sure if many people have tried this yet but mixing mxe with weed is a really nice experience imo, makes the effects a little stronger but very pleasant

Tolerance is of little issue with MXE.. Which is where the addiction "can" come in. I find that my tolerance is back to baseline within 3/4 days.. But that's me.. I'm sure my tolerance could get high if I used frequently.... but this applies to all substances. MXE shows less tolerance to me than other substances I've used. I don't feel cravings for it either.

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More on the "magic" point that I found:

The "magic" point only came to me from 60mg+ doses with a blindfold and music to drive the experience. There was a definite "hyperspace" that I entered. The true visuals come out in darkness.

I'm interested to hear if anyone else has had similar experiences to mine.

- IMO higher doses need further exploration.

I have to remark to this.. "tolerance is of little issue with MXE" that's just an opinion/one man's experience - it's not the consensus view. Most of the discussion on methoxetamine has been going on at bluelight because that's where it originated and tolerance is discussed heavily. I've experienced tolerance myself and so have my lab partners and if the chemistry is to be believed - the drug should become tolerant, different drugs have different tolerance curves, ketamine/NMDA antagonists become tolerant quickly/long lasting.. MXE has several effects each of which become tolerant at different rates. The stimulant effect seen at low doses seems to remain for a long time, but the opioid and dissociative effects diminish quickly and heavily. Interestingly the psychedelic effect does return with relatively short abstinence (3/4 days) - I'm thinking this is what Cloud is talking about. There have been several BL posts recently discussing the linear response dosage curve. It's actually quite complicated because of the multi-faceted nature of MXE and the different reward centres of the brain down-regulating at different times.

I had a dose that was 120mg+ a couple of small lines. My bones felt like liquid flowing through the stream that I was seeing all around me. Time passed very fast and this was definite escapist territory. My inner voice was silenced for several hours, but overall the experience was quite blissful. I've never used a proper opiate, but I imagine at these doses you could say it's like a psychedelic morphene.

I felt like death for 12 hours after though... couldn't sleep that whole time too.

I've read a bunch about methoxetamine online, but after reading this whole thread I'm even more interested.

Would any of you recommend this to someone who has never done a dissociative or anything like it before? I have experience with cannabis, some opioids, and DMT.

For me it's been an incredibly rewarding chemical that I've enjoyed, but I can't recommend anything outright.. I've learned that's not responsible.. you've got to make up your own mind by reading (it looks like that's what you've done)... all I can tell you is that if you've never done a dissociative before it will hit you especially hard at first, so you've got to go incredibly slow, starting at the lowest possible dose.. some people don't like them... some people get horribly seduced by them... a lot of people [including myself] started using MXE with an existing NMDA antagonist tolerance from using things like ketamine/4meo/dxm etc. That's what I meant with my response to cloud, people who have done those drugs before have a cross tolerance to the dissociative effect.

I wouldn't look for recommendations because this is a research chemical and you've got to take responsibility for using it yourself. If you'd read my horror post a while back, that was from someone who used a recommendation to justify reckless use.

I'd never tried a disasociative before MXE (excluding salvia, but that's veeeeery different).

I started at 25mg and found the experience quite easy to handle. The only bad time I get from this stuff is when I get to the 90mg area and then I can't read.

Yeah obviously it's pretty forgiving and most people enjoy it.. but like I already said, some people don't react well to dissociative's, this is more so than other drugs, there are theories that genetics are involved... so you start low to find out whether you like them or not. I would say 10mg.

I've taken it 2 more times at 35mg and it is very interesting still.

I definitely don't enjoy the entire experience but both while reading about it and while remembering it I think of it as great. Seems that though I know that there was over an hour and a half of on of the experiences that I was simply annoyed and not having a good time at all feeling "purposeless" when I think about doing it again I have fond fond memories of the experience as a whole and am very hopeful for it.

The comeup for me has a fantastic hopeful rush that lasts for over 30 minutes fading at maybe and hour into the trippy calmer effects.


I'm really surprised no one has mentioned DXM as a comparison, I think MXE is much better in almost every way and yes there are huge differences like DXM's body load, nasty come-up and stuff but despite that there are key similarities I feel. Maybe it's cause I've only done Ketamine 3 times at low doses (40mg, 60mg and 80mg nasally) and never done PCP that I think of DXM but I was really confused and at a loss of how to define or describe the effects until I thought of DXM then I was like "Oh ya!" and it made more sense.

I mention all the time my paradoxical reaction (possible because of Aspergers Syndrome) but a few similarities I could mention would be the feeling of "far from real life" is similar with DXM/MXE. The lack of enjoyment in watching TV is similar with DXM/MXE. The vagueness of the comedown is similar.

Thinking about it I feel the urge to take some but I am not going to today.
One interesting things is that when I took 20mg after a meal I was feeling so little at 1 hour that I redosed 15 more thinking that my tolerance had gone up or something.
I took 20mg on an empty stomach and at 46min in I was really uneasy about taking 15mg again to make it the same dose as before because the effect were so pronounced! I did and found that what I suspected the last time was true that the "intensity" is completely different on a 20mg dose and a 35mg dose and in a way or two the 35mg is kinda less intense.

Just wanted to mention that, interested to hear other's experiences in comparison!

I've never actually done DXM myself but I can imagine similarities... one side effect I've become concerned of with MXE is that my spelling seems to have gone to shit, I find myself using my spell checker much more often, and I've read about this side effect from DXM use... anyways, it's been a few weeks since I've used it now and I've broke the addiction... funny coincidence, I was also diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome when I was a child, but I've always been sceptical of it as a real condition, I definitely have some kind of higher functioning autism but the spectrum seems so large, it seems like people don't really know what's going on with that still... I actually have increased verbosity for example, it's probably noticeable from my huge paragraphs... I've had friends recognise my posts just from my writing style, I think that's pretty funny.. I also have problems with facial recognition/social cues, but there just seems to be a huge range of disparate aspergers symptoms. Anyways... yeah if anyone else could chime in on DXM similarities that would be helpful

I suspected I was on the spectrum about a year ago then a couple months ago I watched a TED talk by Temple Grandin and then watched the movie based on her (Titled "Temple Grandin" ) and the portrayal of her experiences though she is more effected by autism than me were so striking that I was over 90% sure that I had something on the spectrum by the end of the movie.

I then started reading her book "The Unwritten rules of social relationships" and the descriptions of cases were in tune with my growing up so ridiculously I'm 97% sure now and when I get a chance I think I'll get officially diagnosed.
There are so many varieties though, Sean Barron the co-writer's stories/advice are confusing, irrelevant and non-helpful to me compared to Temple's accounts that are like reading my childhood biography to a T sometimes.

^ will have to read that at some point... the whole subject is interesting, I think there are probably a lot of variations/subsets of aspergers, it's interesting when we talk about MXE and even DMT, also things like Melatonin which is implicated in autism.... I mean I've always looked at it as an evolutionary thing, I have a lot of unique attributes that are related to autism, a lot of them are genuine problems, especially related to social behaviours but looked at another way, they could be viewed as benefits, for example, I have a predicate understanding of systems and machines.. I'm a pretty good computer programmer for example, I've been doing it since I was a kid and that's a popular job for AS people... socialising isn't an attribute that helps with that it's probably good to be less sociable for raw technical ability. I think a lot of so called "nerds" are probably genetically different from "jocks". Controversial position still, but it's funny how the attributes parallel.

So last night after hanging out with friends, nice meal, and laughter..i went home and decided to try some mxe..i hadnt taken any in over a week since my lsdmt experience..but decided it was time..

so i weighed up 22mg of mxe..put into a capsule and swallowed it down..and then when i felt the mxe coming on..i decided to try taking some lsd with it..and to be on the "safer" side i only took half a hit..which may have been 50-70ug..

i was pretty tired so i had to sorta keep myself awake..until the acid kicked in..and once that happened..i grabbed my GVG and put lighter to it and got a wonderful hit from the pipe....otts new album "mir" playing..which is a perfect dmt tripping album

i love the gvg because i havent put dmt into it for like 3-4 sessions of multiple breakthroughs..it makes me wonder how much is really in it..the never ending bowl of dmt..ahh pipe dreams

anyway the lsd made the mxe much more dissociating..the dmt experience was very HEAVY..gravity was doing crazy stuff..it was going sideways..and coming from all directions at once...i became a root buried under the ground..being ripped out from the ground..

its hard to really describe all that happened..and my memory of it is sorta lacking..if i had just gone in once i would probably remember...but when i resurfaced i would smoke again..and must have done it at least 3-4 times..

there was lots of paralysis..im sure i could have moved if i had tried..but i was just stuck and contented in my nook in space and time that i stayed in the same position...

it felt like being on the gravitron at the fair..but just gravity everywhere..

i think im totally gonna try it again..but i want to see if i can remember more of what happened..what i do remember was awesome..so encompassing..and out of body...no eyelids type stuff..


EDIT: i will try to add more to it as i remember...it was a very very long experience...i think i started at like 11 or so..i cant be sure...and i was still awake to smoke weed at 4:20(luck)