so ive been looking all over trying to find anything good on this..and have turned up not much...

i was hoping somebody could either point me in the right direction(link to a tek) or post the steps SWIM would have to take


thanks!

Check out the Hummingbird tek on Ayahuasca forums (you need to make an account to view the forum that it's in). Also in the Preparations subforum there is a thread on coldwater preparation of just Banisteriopsis caapi, right now it's on the first page of threads.

wow after reading all that stuff..i cant believe its active in such low doses...SWIM must be missing out on TONS of amazing alkies in the bark doing STB

so could one just throw in 50g of mimosa powder in a 5 liter canister of distilled water and evaporate that down? will this actually result in smokable product? damn.. this is C.H.E.A.P.!!

No, not really. It would probably be quite unsmokable, extremely harsh, and needs lots of material to break through. Also all those potentiating alkaloids that are extracted with the cold water method will be destroyed (or at least some of them will) when they are exposed to vaporization temperatures.

But for oral consumption this seems like a very cost efficient way to do things.

I am a little confused about the reduction...I guess a fan and some cookie sheets? Heat will destroy the other alks (else a hot water extraction should result in the same stregnth right?)...hmmmm...I've got 30grams in a mason jar in the fridge with some acidic water... I might have to take some time this weekend and give it a shot!

you guys are wonderful!

ive heard that since this is cold water extraction...many of the tannins dont make it through...also just letting it sit in the fridge for awhile and let the chunks settle makes a very very clean extract

awesome...SWIM is liking this more and more...makes him wonder why he even tried making crystals...haha even though they are nice..this method seems sooooo much more efficient

oh SWIM understands..its just to extract pure crystals...there must be an extreme amount of waste...for this tek to be active at around 2g! its just mind blowing..thats almost 100 STRONG doses from 500g

Cold water infusion tastes totally different then an extraction with boiled water. I even dare to say, and those who have never done it will not believe me, that a mimosa coldwater extract has an enjoyable taste.
With hot water it tastes disgusting. You just know that you are gonna puke your guts out when you drink it.
With cold water it has an incense-like taste. Not as anjoyable as fresh orangejuice or something. But it has a mystique, mysterious, intruiging sort of taste. It's like you can even taste the unwordlyness it will take you to.

i cant believe that this isnt done more...i really just dont get it...why are people still doing the old fashioned hot water extraction? this saves money/materials/time...and it probably tastes like it smells when you grind it...SWIM thinks...

its just mind boggling...SWIM would have done tried this long before if he had known about this method...

well i was reading elsewhere that 3g gives a nice solid trip...so its gotta be at least active in very low doses...

i wonder how using extremely small amounts throughout a day for a week would effect your mind state

stay lightly dosed for a day at least...possibly a few...might be interesting..

it also may effect your dreams more...we will have to see

Depends on what you mean by waste. Virtually no DMT is wasted, degraded, or destroyed. I believe the difference comes from other phytochems in the Mimosa. In addition to the yuremamine and miscellanious beta-barbolines (if anyone can find info on what beta-carbolines, I'd be very interested), it's also possible that some of the bark's saponins, sterols, or chalcones are also contributing to the psychoactivity in some fashion.

well i just think its amazing that you can get 'more' from the bark

what about a mimosa/ethanol coldfinger extract? would that also pull everything out? it would be VERY clean i guess.

could somebody explain a coldfinger extract..i have to read the thread on it but..

how would this work with ethanol?

As I understand it, it's just a soxhlet extractor that's been given a fancy name and a higher price tag.

can you extract spice with ethanol though?

Yes, however since heat is used in the extraction it would yeild about the same as a hot ethanol extraction, not the same as cold water extraction at all. You'd get quite a different alkaloid makeup.

yeah.. i thought that with minimum heat (something like 50C) there wouldnt be so much of a reaction.. or do those reactions spoken of even take place at minimum heat?